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forgot to add there is land to stand once over gate before u get near track
trains need to be safe
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the reason why is they just dont put locks on themThe Negotiator said:
I was at a Level Crossing in Kent with the car barrier that came down and covered the whole road including the pavement.
Some dude still climbed over it even though there were flashing red lights, Bells AND a gate.
Not only did he climb over it, he took long about it too.
Most likely the girls were engrossed in conversation and were not paying attention to what was going on, if there was a gate then they would have probably waited as then there would be no way to miss the gate but there was no gate on this occasion.
You probably wouldn't be allowed to have locking gates for Health and Safety reasons such as (what someone said earlier) in case someone was trapped in between the gates and could not escape. might be classed as man slaughter if anything happened to them as they were prevented from leaving to a safe area.
Some dude still climbed over it even though there were flashing red lights, Bells AND a gate.
Not only did he climb over it, he took long about it too.
Most likely the girls were engrossed in conversation and were not paying attention to what was going on, if there was a gate then they would have probably waited as then there would be no way to miss the gate but there was no gate on this occasion.
You probably wouldn't be allowed to have locking gates for Health and Safety reasons such as (what someone said earlier) in case someone was trapped in between the gates and could not escape. might be classed as man slaughter if anything happened to them as they were prevented from leaving to a safe area.
theres loads of room between the inside of the gate and the track, you can stand there no problemTrancendental said:
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But what if it were a car? and if your talking about a gate for people that only locks the pavement ends then certain memebers of the public would still manoeuvre the locked gate or simply climb or go underneath the car gate. On top of that there would probably still be liability if someone were injured e.g flying debris as the train passes or just one of those people who aren't to intelligent who still manage to get run over.
Unfortunately regardless of room some people just aint smart.
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This is a needless waste of life. No parent should have to go to their child's funeral . My thoughts are with the friends and family of the two girls involved.
However, there was nothing noone could do. IMO, the warnings were there. Even if you were in deep conversation, you would have noticed a warbler. Also, going by the photo in the article, there isn't enough room IMO. Maybe there is, but I only have the photo to go on. They also had experience of the crossing, going by the BBC article, so I am at a total loss as to why they stepped out in front of that train.
Its just a horrible, horrible waste
. My thoughts are with the friends and family of the two girls involved. However, there was nothing noone could do. IMO, the warnings were there. Even if you were in deep conversation, you would have noticed a warbler. Also, going by the photo in the article, there isn't enough room IMO. Maybe there is, but I only have the photo to go on. They also had experience of the crossing, going by the BBC article, so I am at a total loss as to why they stepped out in front of that train.
Its just a horrible, horrible waste
According to reports I read at the time, there was a traffic light system for pedestrians, plus an audible warning. You can take all the safety measures you want, but some people will still ignore or work around them. There has to be some point where you have to rely on people to follow the warning and apply their own judgement and common sense.
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dave said:the reason why is they just dont put locks on them
A lot of it would be due to costs. AFAIAA, there is not that much money that's freely available in the railway network. Its not just the locks that have to be paid for, its the labour/contracting costs, any maintainance required afterwards, as well as the possible extra costs of possibly rescheduling/diverting trains, as it would be against Health & Safety to have workmen working on a barrier with trains going past them a few feet away
To be honest, I actually agree with Beau about this. No offense to the girls who died or anything, but if they were silly enough to ignore a warning that would save their lives. They were late for their shopping trip, big deal, I'd rather be late than make a mistake such as running across train track while the barrier was down.
Things like this make me angry, because it's their own stupidity that caused their deaths. you CANNOT blame the lack of a lock for their deaths. The only people to blame is the girls who died IMO.
I always thought it was common sense to avoid train tracks when there's lights, sirens etc... going off.
Things like this make me angry, because it's their own stupidity that caused their deaths. you CANNOT blame the lack of a lock for their deaths. The only people to blame is the girls who died IMO.
I always thought it was common sense to avoid train tracks when there's lights, sirens etc... going off.
First of all sympathies to Panda I'm sure it's difficult for you to read some of the posts.
My job is dealing with such tragedies and I know from unfortunate experience how difficult it is to understand how these things happen.
I can only go by the footage I seen on the TV but there was a gate with lights and an audible warning system. This is standard throughout the UK.
There is no lock put these gates in case someone does get trapped inside. The lock would have to be triggered by the train and if someone was inside they they have no way of getting out until the train passes. An overide is not fitted incase someone outside the gate panics and tries to gain access to help.
Space between the train and gate/fence. As a general rule of thumb there is only between 6 to 10 feet of space at a station (or the width of the platform in most cases). If an express train runs through then it's very possible for someone to be sucked in or an item of their clothing to be sucked in only to catch on part of the train and you to be dragged in. All railway staff must undergo training for being caught on the wrong side of the fence.
Main car crossings are operated by a man/woman in a box who make sure the crossing is clear before dropping the barriers so no cars or people get stuck inside. Before the barriers drop there is audible and light warnings given yet Unfortunately we have to report around 40 cases a year to the Police due to both vehicle drivers and pedestrians trying to beat the barriers before they go down. And they get trapped inside or hit the gate.
At level crossings some have half barriers that block the road on your side. We get around 30 cases a year of people driving around them. "I was in a hurry" is usually the excuse. The barrier operates by a trip tripped by the approaching train. It's usually 45 seconds before the train arrives at the crossing. Why 45 seconds, because studies have shown any longer an people get impatiant and try to find a way round. Some crossings have cctv fitted so the Sman can see the crossing operate. It does not stop the train from hitting anything that has chosen to ignore the barrier, audible warning and lights though.
In every case the Health and Safety Executive are brought in to check the systems and they are very stingent. All our systems are constantly checked and revewed in case some improvement can be made.
Only so much can be done to protect us from ourselves.
Guys if I was allowed I could show you footage from our cctv's that would scare you at the way some people treat their own safety around a railway.
I regret to have to say that in all the fatal cases we have had it has been human error. It affects all concerned including the staff.
All of this is no comfort to the bereaved families though.
Stu.
My job is dealing with such tragedies and I know from unfortunate experience how difficult it is to understand how these things happen.
I can only go by the footage I seen on the TV but there was a gate with lights and an audible warning system. This is standard throughout the UK.
There is no lock put these gates in case someone does get trapped inside. The lock would have to be triggered by the train and if someone was inside they they have no way of getting out until the train passes. An overide is not fitted incase someone outside the gate panics and tries to gain access to help.
Space between the train and gate/fence. As a general rule of thumb there is only between 6 to 10 feet of space at a station (or the width of the platform in most cases). If an express train runs through then it's very possible for someone to be sucked in or an item of their clothing to be sucked in only to catch on part of the train and you to be dragged in. All railway staff must undergo training for being caught on the wrong side of the fence.
Main car crossings are operated by a man/woman in a box who make sure the crossing is clear before dropping the barriers so no cars or people get stuck inside. Before the barriers drop there is audible and light warnings given yet Unfortunately we have to report around 40 cases a year to the Police due to both vehicle drivers and pedestrians trying to beat the barriers before they go down. And they get trapped inside or hit the gate.
At level crossings some have half barriers that block the road on your side. We get around 30 cases a year of people driving around them. "I was in a hurry" is usually the excuse. The barrier operates by a trip tripped by the approaching train. It's usually 45 seconds before the train arrives at the crossing. Why 45 seconds, because studies have shown any longer an people get impatiant and try to find a way round. Some crossings have cctv fitted so the Sman can see the crossing operate. It does not stop the train from hitting anything that has chosen to ignore the barrier, audible warning and lights though.
In every case the Health and Safety Executive are brought in to check the systems and they are very stingent. All our systems are constantly checked and revewed in case some improvement can be made.
Only so much can be done to protect us from ourselves.
Guys if I was allowed I could show you footage from our cctv's that would scare you at the way some people treat their own safety around a railway.
I regret to have to say that in all the fatal cases we have had it has been human error. It affects all concerned including the staff.
All of this is no comfort to the bereaved families though.
Stu.
When I was a kid there was a place I used to go to play around sone streams and a railway bridge, where it was widely regarded as a place to take kids. A railway bridge went over this place and there was also a footpath that lead up to the track where you could actually walk along them with no warning whatsoever As a kid I thought nothing of it but now I think about it it's disgusting. The access to railways lines is just too easy, when you consider the many dangers involved then the railway companies are responsible for this stuff. They should seriously consider tightening up their safety around the tracks.
It's really sad when someone gets killed, in any circumstance, but when it's avoidable it's so much worse.
As a kid I thought nothing of it but now I think about it it's disgusting. The access to railways lines is just too easy, when you consider the many dangers involved then the railway companies are responsible for this stuff. They should seriously consider tightening up their safety around the tracks.It's really sad when someone gets killed, in any circumstance, but when it's avoidable it's so much worse.
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this is the famalies second tradgerty near christmas cuz today last year charlies cousin dan died in car accident
