Styling The Autowerks - Panda 100hp - Tints, Wheels and more
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As some people are aware I am a magistrate and it would be helpful in my work to have some answers from airlog. This is not a wind up or intended to annoy anybody but a genuine attempt to better understand why people break the law. If you prefer not to respond thats OK.
You were informed that the tints would be unlawful. Do you feel you are above the law or do you think the chances of being caught are remote? Or is there another reason?
What did you think the maximum penalty would be if you were caught?
This is a case we had through court last year. Driver was involved, at night, in what would have been a 50/50 responsibility collision. He had needed to look through his side window which had an unlawful tint. Not heavily tinted, but the glass was already at max tint, as it is in your case. He was prosecuted for dangerous driving on the basis that the vehicle was in a dangerous condition due to the tints, made worse by the low visibility. He lost his licence for a year and will have to take an extended re-test. He got a fine. if the other driver had been injured he could have gone to jail. Bearing in mind that this could happen to you, are you still happy with the tints?
Thanks to JohnW for thoroughly trashing the whole experience for me. The tints are being removed as I type and all cosmetic alterations will be returned to factory spec as soon as possible.
No I don't regard myself as being above the law - being a philosophy student I am well aware of the tension that exists in society between the rights of the individual and the greater good. In this case I failed to appreciate that there are very good reasons for why the % of light transmission is set at the figure it is : I admit that I hadn't thought the pros and cons through sufficiently before coming to my decision.
Thanks to all who pointed out the error of my ways.
No I don't regard myself as being above the law - being a philosophy student I am well aware of the tension that exists in society between the rights of the individual and the greater good. In this case I failed to appreciate that there are very good reasons for why the % of light transmission is set at the figure it is : I admit that I hadn't thought the pros and cons through sufficiently before coming to my decision.
Thanks to all who pointed out the error of my ways.
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Cant beat a bit of hatred on the tints and accusations that everyone who tints there front windows thinks there above the law. Tis a great read. You and me should really be ashamed of ourselfs for putting front tints on you know. 
Car looks nice anyhow
Car looks nice anyhow
chauspain
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I raised that point, along with others, as part of a question to show airlog what sort of reply I was hoping to get. I have no personal like or dislike for airlog, I asked the question because he or she actually admitted knowing the tints to be illegal but fitted them anyway. In court that sort of honesty is rare with most people claiming they didn't know - even when they signed a work order which clearly states that the tints would break the law.
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That wasn't my intention although its probably better to happen here than in court where they might really spoil your day.
I think removing the tints is probably in your best interests but as far as I am aware there is nothing wrong with the rest of the work. For what its worth I think the mods look good and, tints excepted, I might well get mine done along similar lines.
You probably have a much better understanding of law and society than I do. Which is why I am the one asking the questions.
I have to admit that it had never occurred to me that anybody would not realise that the minimum light transmission figures are set for a good reason. Your thoughts may well help future drivers facing the same charge. That is not suggesting or hinting that you are thick, just that the powers that be have clearly failed to make it clear to the general public why they limit the level of tinting. By comparison they emphasise that when training us. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
I can safely assume that this doesn't include me.
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I know my tints are illegal and if i get pulled for them then so be it. I have been pulled over already with them on for something else and mr plod didnt say anything to me about them. A tint that Airlog has got on wont affect his vision at night tbh. The only thing it will reduce is glare from cars coming out of junctions at the side. I agree that stupidly dark tints on the front should be illegal but with front tints like mine and airlog's i dont think they should be. From driving my car with no tint on the front and then with the current tint i have on the front i can honestly say it makes no difference to what i can and cant see at night.
Visorfett
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This is why I didn't want another tint thread!
Some think its illegal and shouldn't be done, others think its illegal and should be done!
I am sure everyone who says "tut tut, lawbreakers. dangerous etc" have never knowingly broken the speed limit or driven with a brake light bulb out or a dirty number plate or even eaten food while driving!
Its not the end of the world.
lets move on now.
Red pinstripe? Go for it...
Some think its illegal and shouldn't be done, others think its illegal and should be done!
I am sure everyone who says "tut tut, lawbreakers. dangerous etc" have never knowingly broken the speed limit or driven with a brake light bulb out or a dirty number plate or even eaten food while driving!
Its not the end of the world.
lets move on now.
Red pinstripe? Go for it...
I wouldn't smash my brake lights, and then go driving. I wouldn't smear dirt over my number plate and then go driving. Things go wrong, and the car gets dirty etc., but you've got to pay money etc. to get your windows tinted.
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Next time i not bother with tints then i just go bomb around a muddy field and get my windows caked in mud then
Next time i not bother with tints then i just go bomb around a muddy field and get my windows caked in mud then
And maybe stop throwing your toys out of the pram....
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Sarcasm failure?
What about a reply relates to speeding? You pay for the extra petrol to drive at 31 mph in a 30 road.
1 mph is still speeding, 1% less light transmission is over the limit. Both breaking the law.
Who ever says the tint is illegal yeah very true, have u ever, ever driven your car over 30 in a 30 limit road?
Ming
Its not widely advertised (for obvious reasons), but there are tolerance over speed limit, only above which you can actually be *prosecuted* for speeding.
But if you for example involved in a traffic accident, then even 1% over limit can count negatively.
As for tints, there are no additional tolerances - if you go over limit even 1%, you can be prosecuted.
But if you for example involved in a traffic accident, then even 1% over limit can count negatively.
As for tints, there are no additional tolerances - if you go over limit even 1%, you can be prosecuted.
so you saying on the motorway signs say 70, it should really say 70 mph + tolerance?
surely that would appear in the highway code, if it a written rule?
Ming
surely that would appear in the highway code, if it a written rule?
Ming
Its not simple as that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limit#Tolerance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limit#Tolerance
Visorfett
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Well, end of the day, the whole car still looks bloody good and that's what matters.
