Technical start button

[OzMoSiS]

basically i would love to have the fiat original start button for the stilo. i know it will have to work in conjunction with the key, but that is what i want. if i cant get my hands on the fiat stuff, then there are kits on ebay.

i want to turn the key to first position (all electrics on), then press start to fire up the engine. then when you press again the engine stops, but contact is still on

ideas?

 

[alpinepg]

I have an idea.......buy a car with it fitted:slayer: Did they ever fit it to a Stilo????? Why not just stick the button on the dashboard and pretend......it will do the same thing

 

[alpinepg]

I'm being cruel...sorry, its just a bit chav (IMHO).......but if you really want to do it, it wont be difficult. The final turn of the key will probably only be connecting up 2 wires. The immobiliser shouldnt be a problem.....just connect up said wires by pressing the button instead of turning the key. Any tuning place or decent garage (that does more than just servicing and MOTs) will beable to sort out your dream mod. You might even find a mobile auto electrician who will do it at your house.

 

[alexGS]

Alpinepg, just for your interest, the start button was part of an 'Easy Go' package on the Stilo. An RF roundel, carried in the owner's pocket, unlocked the doors and the steering column (electrically) when the roundel was brought near the car. The start button, located in that strange-shaped space to the left of the steering column, was just the final part of the system, enabled only when the roundel was anywhere inside the car.

So, wiring up a start button as you suggest will not really achieve FIAT's design intention but I agree with you that it should work - for some purpose

What is really needed here is some sort of kit of FIAT parts to fit the whole Easy-Go system (including the antenna under the handbrake lever, used when the battery is low in the roundel). And while we're at it, I'd like a kit of parts to fit the Radar Cruise Control

-Alex

 

[dan-the-man]

Hasn't Rich got a start button on his?

 

[garsenior]

Ive fitted one of these kits before, they are dead easy to do, f i can do it anyone can, i got the universal kit off ebay.

 

[Rich]

Hasn't Rich got a start button on his?

Yes he has, and it is the original start button , first person in the UK with it .

Oz, sorry for not replying to your PM, have been busy with uni exams!

Basically, to do it properly, you need to create a wiring loom with two 30A relays (one to kick in the starter motor, one to kill the accessory line whilst firing up to prevent too much current drain). You then need to get the connector for the back of the switch (good luck!), and then interface with the rear of the body computer and the starter switch wiring.

To fit it, and locate the relays in a safe place (space is too limited by the body computer, putting it by the column could be dangerous in a crash, so it has to be mounted over on the passenger side) - for this, the entire glovebox has to come out, so does the top one, the stereo, the centre console side panels, the centre console itself, the heater control unit, the body computer side cover . . .

Once you've done that, and drilled the dashboard space-frame (you'll need a decent drill bit for this), wire it all up, it's fantastic.

Alex, to answer your point - indeed, to get this to work to FIAT specifications (to eliminate the key), you would have to re-route the CODE antenna down to the centre console antenna location point, fit a new ignition barrel to overcome the issue with the steering lock (which is an hurrendous cost of £165) - and even then you would still have to use the original key. To get it to transmit wirelessly literally does cost more than most Stilos are worth - and it's impossible to do as the Body Computer needs changing (and we all know the story about that :chin

 

[Rich]

Update: If you want, I can write a guide on how to do it. Like I said, I went through the wiring of it properly to guarantee that this works everytime, and causes no faults, issues, battery drains, computer error messages, power steering losses (yes, current drain problems can cause this) . . . it works fine.

I can also tell you what to order and where from - there is a company that does original car stuff and it looks very impressive.

Just give me until Wednesday to get me over a hard uni exam and then I can work on the Guide.

 

[PNL]

Update: If you want, I can write a guide on how to do it. Like I said, I went through the wiring of it properly to guarantee that this works everytime, and causes no faults, issues, battery drains, computer error messages, power steering losses (yes, current drain problems can cause this) . . . it works fine.

I can also tell you what to order and where from - there is a company that does original car stuff and it looks very impressive.

Just give me until Wednesday to get me over a hard uni exam and then I can work on the Guide.

Wa Hey thats great news you have just started a new generation of button pushing stilo owners LOL now can you sort out a starting handle for mine they were very handy well they were

 

[Rich]

So much for my Stilo's individuality! Won't bother bringing it to the shows now .

Yeah, as long as I'm credited with it, then it's all good I suppose .

Maybe I should go into production making the wiring looms and charging people? Tidy profit to be made there!

 

[PNL]

So much for my Stilo's individuality! Won't bother bringing it to the shows now .

Yeah, as long as I'm credited with it, then it's all good I suppose .

Maybe I should go into production making the wiring looms and charging people? Tidy profit to be made there!

Hah that's just not you you want to help people like me and not charge for this ..this is a stilo community just like performance stilo where we help one and all not some money making project ..if anyone would do that then I think that's despicable :devil:

 

[Deckchair5]

Why would anyone find that despicable?
If someone has gone to the time and trouble of inventing, finding parts and testing an innovative modification that other people might want then I see nothing wrong at all with putting a price on the person's time and effort to obtain the parts for you, assemble the parts and ship it in a ready made package. How can anyone expect that for free?

What isn't on is to charge for knowledge as in "I know how to do that, I'll let you know how if you give me £xxx". People who have tried that have gotten short shrift on here and rightly so

 

[Rich]

I think Phil was referring to the "tidy profit" remark there decks, as in me screwing people out of money. I have no intentions of making the loom, but will tell people how to do it, and won't be charging for that!

 

[Rich]

Oz, just re-read your post - mine doesn't stop the engine. Think about it, if you've turned the key to ignition on, it'll remain on.

You would therefore have the bypass the column switching all together, big no no!

 

[PNL]

Why would anyone find that despicable?
If someone has gone to the time and trouble of inventing, finding parts and testing an innovative modification that other people might want then I see nothing wrong at all with putting a price on the person's time and effort to obtain the parts for you, assemble the parts and ship it in a ready made package. How can anyone expect that for free?

What isn't on is to charge for knowledge as in "I know how to do that, I'll let you know how if you give me £xxx". People who have tried that have gotten short shrift on here and rightly so

As Rich said Decks you read my intentions incorrectly ..I wasn't referring to Rich at all but the simple act that we all come on here and give time freely to our fellow stilo owner and in no way would I go and charge someone for a piece of info [in this case the start button] if they wanted it on their car ..for a stilo owner who ever it may be to turn around and say "me and my mate have found out how to do this but its gonna cost you give us ya money" quite sickens me in my stomach ..you would be a millionaire by now if you had charged the people on here for all the info you had given freely for the many years you have been a stilo owner ..your guides are just one example of it .. hope that clears up my intention and my post

 

[Morty Mort]

What is the point exactly. You have to insert the key anyway? Turn it half way, taking care not to turn it too far. Then push and hold another button to make the car start - which will not be able to turn it off.

But that is like Windows. Press start to shut off...

M.

 

[Rich]

What is the point exactly. You have to insert the key anyway? Turn it half way, taking care not to turn it too far. Then push and hold another button to make the car start - which will not be able to turn it off.

But that is like Windows. Press start to shut off...

M.

Essentially, yes . . . the only difference is, the way I've wired it, the car will not start with the key turned to the "AVV" position. So, you have to push the button - becomes habit very quickly.

I'd admit, it is an annoyance that the key still turns. It can't be changed on the Stilo (was modified on the Grande but the Stilo is different).

 

[Stilo_ste]

Really, really, honestly don't see the point of this at all.

Instead of putting keys in and turning to 'crank' position and releasing when engine fires, you want to put keys in, carefully turn to 'on' and not crank and then press a button to crank the engine and release when it goes.

Why??? seem like a weird fascination with push buttons to me.

Waste of time, money, effort and will probably invalidate any warranty you have left on an already dubious electrical wiring system in the car.

I haven't read any replies, but it shouts CHAV, CHAV, CHAV, nastiness to me.

 

[PNL]

Not so much a chav idea Steve as it was in the continental stilos more of the point that a person [not Rich] would want to buy some bits and bobs to put this all together and CHARGE for the privilege when the information should be given freely as Rich is doing in the first place we all drive the same car log onto the same forums and are here to help one another I wouldn't want it any other way

 

[Argonought]

Really, really, honestly don't see the point of this at all.

Kind of agree with you on that

If you can't do the job properly then I can't really see the point of starting

Drove a Renault Lagona with Stop/Start + Access Card the other day and it was certainly very impressive. Plenty of toys just like the Stilo but didn't strike me as being in the same class as the Stilo driving wise (but didn't drive it far).