Sound system advice needed

[Sam92]

Hi, i have a 04 punto active sport and want to replace the stock sound system. I know nothing about them so please be aware. I came across this deal on this site

caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/1259.html

(just add a http:// on the front to follow the link as im not allowed to post urls yet)

and looks like a good offer, however is the site trustworthy? and what are those speakers/amp/sub like? what else would i need just a cd player? As it looks like the wiring is included. Im only looking at jbl atm because i have those speakers in my laptop and they sound immense LOL

Thanks for any advice

 

[AgnessGP]

Hi mate. Looks as though everything is there. Bare in mind, that subwoofer is not a 1100w subwoofer, it is 250W RMS. 1100W is just the peak power.

Sorry if you already knew that just had to point it out as I only learnt that myself recently.

The website is fine I have purchased a few things from them.

All you need is the cd player with the correct speaker jacks on the rear i.e. subwoofer, left/right etc.

Im no technical man but hope this helps

 

[Sam92]

Thanks for your reply. Ok good too know, but soon after i did a lot or researching and changed my mind to buy seperately, so heres what i have now configured:

Pioneer DEH-7300BT HU
http://www.caraudiocentre.co.uk/product_m-pioneer-deh-7300bt_p-26745.htm
£127.99

JBL GTO5355 5 channel amp
http://uk.jbl.com/jbl-product-detail-uk/gto5355e.html
£229.99

GTO528 speakers
http://uk.jbl.com/jbl-product-detail-uk/gto528.html (NEED TO CHANGE)
£39.99

Vibe LiteAir 4 speakers
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/vibe-liteair-4.html
£63.99

GT5-1204BR sub
http://uk.jbl.com/jbl-product-detail-uk/gt5-1204br.html
£94.99

Vibe Slick 4 Gauge Amplifier Wiring Kit
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/...uctId_723215_langId_-1_categoryId_165626#dtab
£29.99


I decided that a 5 channel would get me better quality sound so i dont have to bridge the speakers. And made sure that pioneer HU has 3 RCA outputs so i dont have to split the wire. What do you think of this? does that 4 gauge wiring kit have everything i need to wire it up? I guess i may need more speaker wire.

Currently looking for 13cm speakers with atleast 55w rms

 

[volxstu]

Spam this thread with a few posts so your links work lol. Copying them in is a pita on the phone.
I will get to a comp tonight and post a better suggestion and the reasons why but your not far off there.

 

[Sam92]

ok thanks, sorry about the links lol i think those speakers arent enough rms so i did some more digging and found these http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/vibe-liteair-4.html

It says this: Type : Component
Configuration : 2 way
Speaker Size : 4"
RMS Power : 70 w
Minimum Input : 35 w
RMS Peak Power : 210 w
Sensitivity : 90 db
Freq. Response : 66 – 25 khz
Mounting Depth : 34mm
Mounting Diameter : 93 mm
Voice coil diameter : 25 mm
Magnet material : Neodymium
Magnet weight : 0.6 Oz
Magnet rating : N35
Recommended Amplifiers : Space S2 | Space S4

it says rms power is 70w so i hope thats the normal wattage and not 35 as the gto5355 amp @ 4 ohms is 55w. But by looking at the recommended amps the space s2 is a 2 channel over 100w @4 ohms so surely the jbl wont blow the speaker up?
Btw i can only physically fit 10cm speakers in the rear without messing about with the rear shelf, but i dont want to stick them in the shelf. And finding 10cm speakers with atleast 55w rms is turning out to be hard.

I also found these: http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/15405.html

It says they are 250w each with 125w rms per speaker but am a bit skeptical on quality as they only cost £29.99

Thanks for all your help though guys, really appreciated.

 

[volxstu]

Im Just having a look at stuff now but you dont need rear speakers. They are pointless. The Punto is a Small car so set up the front properly and you wont need them.

 

[Sam92]

well i'll still prefer to have them tbh as if i didnt i then wouldnt need a 5 channel amp, but i want to move this to my next car you see which will probably be bigger, so might aswell make use of the channels. But i do see that you dont need the rears.

Ive just realised are those vibe speakers sold individually?

 

[volxstu]

You really dont need rears trust me. Even in big cars people dont use rears. Some may put some speakers in to run off the head unit but only when absolutely everything else is done. I personally dont have any speakers in the back of my Stilo. (Ok i do have a sub but im not using that one atm)
Spekaers belong in the front :-D


I cant seee anything wrong with your Head Unit choice. As long as you spend as much as you can on one and stick to the likes of Alpine and Pioneer etc your fine.

Sub Amp
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/4250.html

Speaker Amp
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/8036.html

Seperate amps will

I cant see them on the site but im sure if you phone up they will be able to do the Shallow mount versions of these.
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/6693.html
You need shallow mount as there isnt a great deal of clearance between the mount and the window so often the magnets catch.

Also i have recommended component speakers as they are far far superior to coaxiles.

A dual voice coil sub.
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/4800.html
This means that you can run the amp at 2ohm which means you will get more power. You would be better off with a custom enclosure so just buying the sub without box would be better.
Have a search for BFUK. I think he still makes good boxes at very reasonable prices.
Actually heres the website.
http://www.bfuk.zoomshare.com/0.html

Wiring kit of the best value.
http://www.knukonceptz.com/productDetail.cfm?prodID=KCA-K4

Distribution block to deligate wiring to the 2 amps.
Power
http://www.knukonceptz.com/productDetail.cfm?prodID=BC-1428
Ground something like this.
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/phonocar-4-483-power-distribution-block.html

All just suggestions. Have a look around. If you see something you like the look of then post it up so we can comment.

 

[Sam92]

Thanks for all your suggestions but really my mind is set on rears aswell, i do appreciate your help but i wont have room for 2 amps anyway.

As for front speakers i am only putting them in the door panels so 13cm max is what ive got to play with.
And i found the vibe liteairs 5
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/vibe-liteair-5.html
but do they come in pairs?

 

[volxstu]

Punto's are 6 1/2" 17 cm up front.
As for the rest if you dont want to listen to more experienced people thats your choice.

 

[Sam92]

Punto's are 6 1/2" 17 cm up front.
As for the rest if you dont want to listen to more experienced people thats your choice.

Oh thanks measured wrong. I am listening to you but not everyones needs are the same.

 

[volxstu]

Iwant to replace the stock sound system. I know nothing about them so please be aware.
Thanks for any advice

I am listening to you but not everyones needs are the same.

Like you said you dont know anything about them. Its not a case of wants or needs. Its about experience and actually knowing what you need and stopping you making the same mistakes i made all those years ago.
For a start you wont be taking those speakers into a new car. In a few months time you will have learnt a lot more and probably moving onto the next project.
The way i have suggested you do things gives you a lot more scope to create a better sound. But even then im sure you will end up changing things and upgrading.

 

[Sam92]

I have learnt a bit already. Yes thats fair enough but mistakes, i dont believe there is a right and wrong way to do this. When you say create more scope for better sound, surely the more speakers the better? I Probably will upgrade but if i do what you say and just have fronts then i bet i'll want rears anyway. As the bracket and wiring is already in place i might aswell use it now.

 

[volxstu]

LOL no not at all. You can put a load of **** speakers, installed badly and it will sound worse than one decent set of well installed speakers.

I have been into car audio for years. I compete in sound quality installations and won the UK league in my class this year. I dont even know the tip of the Iceberg of this industry. Its not something you can learn reading a couple of articles.

 

[Sam92]

Well i can assure you it will be installed and set up well with both front and rear speakers. So thanks for your comments once again but do you Know what the quality is like on the vibe liteairs?

Please note the whole lot will be installed professionally by my friend who has been installing speaker systems for 25 years.

 

[volxstu]

I dont rate Vibe at all.
On a tight budget JBL are a good all rounder. Reasonable quality and volume.
Again if you are on a budget and just want to make as much antisocial noise as possible then the Fusion Powerplant stuff is quite good for that.

If you have larger budget then ignore all of the above. All we have been talking about so far is entry level learning tools that wouldnt have a bad outcome.

Also as your friend is installing it (who is he by the way? Its a small industry. Ive probably pissed him off at some point lol) Then he should have contacts to get some good second hand stuff which will take you choice of equipment on budget from mediocre to good.
I have spent about £1850 on the amps, source and speakers which are about £4000 new.

 

[Sam92]

He's not in business any more but he will install mine for me (close family friend). This is the thing, i am on a tight budget, definately cant spend any more if i were to buy the things i listed (about £550). Im not after competition quality sound, just something that sounds significantly better than the stock system. Can you recommend any better small speakers which arent say over £80?

 

[volxstu]

Not Ken by any chance?

As for speakers under £80. do you mean rears? If so just buy a cheap set of coaxes and connect them to the HU. It really would be a waste of your budget to buy decent ones and hook them up to an amp. Especially at the sixe you need. 10 cm just arent designed to sound good or take the kind of power.

 

[Sam92]

No not ken lol
Ive rang up a audio shop in my area and they have said that with a sub in the boot and rear speakers in the same air space, they can blow over time or have damage done to them so not having rears might be a nessecity with a sub. Have you heard of this volxstu?

He was also saying Focal do some good stuff and and he is going to put something together in the region of about £550 so when he calls back or emails i'll let you know what he suggests on here :yum:

 

[volxstu]

Yes sam, that is one of quite a few reasons why you dont want/ need speakers in the rear. There is a big long list its just an effort to explain to people all the time all of the reasons. People just have to take our word on certain things. Especially on the internet where its more difficult to communicate than a face to face conversation. This is why sometimes i say Just trust me. :devil:

Focal are very good. A little overpriced but a lot of their stuff sits in a middle ground bracket where there isnt a great deal of competition. Your looking into your, Diamond Audio, Rainbow and even lower end DLS.
Infact if you tried hard im sure you may be able to pick up a set of DLS RA6 within your budget (second hand but looked after). These makes are geting into Sound Quality territory though. Not the best stuff if you want to be loud.

These are kind of cross between loud and good, at reasonable budget. Im not sure if they are cheaper through four masters.
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/products/hertz-dieci-dsk-165.html