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JackDeean

JackDeean

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I've got some Red LED lights, they make my car look evil. It only took seconds, HIDs are next in the agenda!
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Evie the Evil Evo ; )
 
Yup, looks nice but its completely illegal. Also, fitting HID's to reflector lenses is NOT advised! They will cause excessive glare to other road users and will comprimise yours and others safety on the road.

BUT REMEMBER, its completely up to you. :)
 
Ate they actually illegal, didn't really think that's bit through.. I've driven past lots of police cars with them on.. Ill keep it in mind though Thankyou. About the HiDs, they appear to be okay, as in not obstructive to other road users - but again, thanks!
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(They're my 6000K HIDs)
 
No messages came up on the dashboard! However you need resistors, where I bought them, they sent them free which was good. Otherwise they flicker constantly.. :)
 
What about the hids mate were did you get them from and did you need resistors or anything for them?
 
I bought them off a shop via eBay, twice. Didn't think to look at the bulb size. But they're H4 (3). And they were easy to fit, no hassle! My 14 year old brother did it all for me (however I do have to wedge them back in every couple weeks). They cost around £30 for my 6000K H4 3 kit.

The 3 after H4 means hi and low beam in one, I think.. :)
 
JackDeean said:
Ate they actually illegal, didn't really think that's bit through.. I've driven past lots of police cars with them on.. Ill keep it in mind though Thankyou. About the HiDs, they appear to be okay, as in not obstructive to other road users - but again, thanks!
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(They're my 6000K HIDs)
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Appear to be ok? To blind people?

I can see the glare in your pic, and that off set, god only knows what head on is like.

Whats your insurance company said about this illegal modification :confused:
 
HIDs are not illegal, so there is no issue. If I ever had a problem with them, it would take me 5 minutes to take them out and replace them. But thank you for your concern.
 
Well I am a law student, so I understand the basics, but if you can prove me wrong and that HIDs are in fact illegal, I would appreciate that.

What I believe to be true is that HIDs over 6000k are illegal, however anything up to that, is perfectly road legal. If it's not, then I don't know where I heard that from?
 
HID conversion is illegal in Europe and USA.

More important than legality, technically this is a big problem : HID arc and halogen filament have not the same position and radiaton pattern.
HID headlight have motor to automatically correct the beam when uphill or with load in your car. Plus they have optics to illuminate right.

All HID converted cars I have crossed are a big concern for other road users. I don't like police or law more than that, but I think there is a real problem with HID conversion.
 
JackDeean said:
Well I am a law student, so I understand the basics, but if you can prove me wrong and that HIDs are in fact illegal, I would appreciate that.

What I believe to be true is that HIDs over 6000k are illegal, however anything up to that, is perfectly road legal. If it's not, then I don't know where I heard that from?
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The latest directive from VOSA includes their view that unless strict criteria are met, after-market HID kits may not be legal.

There is some confusion regarding the change in legislation towards HID kits. Although we are still trying to determine the full details here is some text that may help! Many thanks to the MX3 Forum guys who bought it to my attention

Here is the relevant text -

"In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.
The following is the legal rationale:

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.
2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).
3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.

In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.
2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.
3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.
Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.
In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above."
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http://www.phoenixautobulbs.co.uk/tp/hid-kits-new-legislation-2012



Your call..... At the end of the day what would happen if you got prosecuted for a motoring offence such as no insurance due to invalidated cover due to illegal modifications and your potential careerer in law? :confused:
 
I read it all and it does make sense, and I agree with you to an extent. I feel that if it is actually illegal, it's obviously not on the top of traffic polices priority - I only say this because its not very well known, everyone has different opinions. Besides, it's not 100% illegal from what I gathered from that text as it all depends in the car and even suspension..

If I felt that my lights out drivers in front of me off at night, I would do singing about it. However saying that - my old car, a Clio - my ordinary lights used to be annoying for other people and they were completely standard. My car at the moment always has the lights as low as they go, and have been aligned recently and the 6months I've had them, I've had no complaints - they are bright, but they point 'down' not dead in front. So you can see the light lines, if that makes since..? (I haven't got a picture to help explain that either).

They're really good though, and as long as they're legal/not a hazard then I'd suggest HIDs to everyone!
 
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