well what limit would you apply 60 horses? still enough to kill someone. bigger engines can be safer, perhaps a top speed limit combined with an acceleration limit
Raise Driving Min Age to 21
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Raise Driving Min Age to 21
As above, how would you rate what age the limit would be. A car going 30 mph (even less) will kill someone.
Its not the power of the car that needs to be addressed, more the skill/mind set of the driver.
Also, I've always wondered why there arent 2 versions of cars. A track one and a road one. The road one being slower of course.
Im not saying i wouldnt love an evo 8 or rx8 or something quick, iv just always wondered why they make road cars so powerful
Its not the power of the car that needs to be addressed, more the skill/mind set of the driver.
Also, I've always wondered why there arent 2 versions of cars. A track one and a road one. The road one being slower of course.
Im not saying i wouldnt love an evo 8 or rx8 or something quick, iv just always wondered why they make road cars so powerful
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Wow, another 'its all the teenagers crashing and raising the insurance' thread shocker.
How about this, im not like most 17-20 year olds, the majority of my friends are the same as me, I have a job which I NEED to drive for, if not id have no job/no way of getting anywhere because the bus timetable around here is a joke.
Age isnt a deciding factor in driving 'ability', ofcourse experience helps but its also down to confidence.
I could go into the whole re-test after X amount of years, because OAPs WORSE, imo, than younger drivers, but hey thats just me.
How about this, im not like most 17-20 year olds, the majority of my friends are the same as me, I have a job which I NEED to drive for, if not id have no job/no way of getting anywhere because the bus timetable around here is a joke.
Age isnt a deciding factor in driving 'ability', ofcourse experience helps but its also down to confidence.
I could go into the whole re-test after X amount of years, because OAPs WORSE, imo, than younger drivers, but hey thats just me.
Actually I can almost understand where you come from young fella, but take a step back & just think where you are. You are indeed discussing a topic on a forum where there are diverse opinions of both young,old & "inbetweeners" who inhabit this form of communication.
It would seem there are good young drivers & old drivers apart from the very bad other drivers....Now there's a surprise....
Dg - i agree with what your saying
insurance wont be better
Nots not just the uninsured/unlicensed people - its the I'm Going to sue you for every penny you've got attitude now
Am I Dg? lol
But yeah that's another good point, false whiplash claims etc..
Many reasons, car manufacturers wanting to keep up with eachother, bettering eachother so they can sell their products. Power isn't all about speed anyway, you can accelerate up to the speed limit quicker (sounds dangerous I know), you sometimes need power for hills etc as well..
Also not many people can afford 2 cars, 1 just to enjoy on a track, especially the cost of getting that car to a track..
We can't legislate risk out of every situation. We have to accept that life in general has risks. Actions have consequences, and sometimes humans driving cars will make mistakes or act recklessly and as a result people will die. Climbing mountains is risky as well, and every year many people die or are injured as a result. Should we ban that as well, or impose age restrictions?
Let's get some proper police numbers back on the roads, and some tougher sentences for those caught. For cases of proven reckless driving - crush the car. Crush the driver sas well for me, but that's probably too far!
Let's get some proper police numbers back on the roads, and some tougher sentences for those caught. For cases of proven reckless driving - crush the car. Crush the driver sas well for me, but that's probably too far!
If there was a a solution for really bad driving whether you were young old or other, crushing the car certainly would get the message home.
how about this? most cars now days are fly by wire.. i think that for the first 3 years you should have something like a digital tachograph (that also records G's!) that records all your actions when driving in a car.
the odd burst or speed to over take or pull off from a roundabout is ok, but if you do it too much you will be told off.
i was actualy looking for this type of thing, as i was told that having such a device knocks loads off insurance prices. there is a few about but you are limited on driving times which i found outrageous.
i think that if your driving is being monitored then you will be a lot more carefull.
the odd burst or speed to over take or pull off from a roundabout is ok, but if you do it too much you will be told off.
i was actualy looking for this type of thing, as i was told that having such a device knocks loads off insurance prices. there is a few about but you are limited on driving times which i found outrageous.
i think that if your driving is being monitored then you will be a lot more carefull.
Yeah I suppose. Im not saying id like it if they restricted cars at all!
Its just seems weird why all cars arent restricted to the maximum or at least 90mph speed limit. Like here is our vr6 golf, top speed around 160 but you can only go 70 lol. Then again people may take it on a track.
I just wondered thats all. I thought cars would be restricted by now. Im glad they arent im just surprised if you get what i mean
EDIT: with what was said above, maybe new drivers could be on 'track my driving' for a year, then if youre good enough you come off it
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Thats rediculous. Best way forward is better education and REAL punishment for the idiots caught and convicted of dangerous driving not bugging peoples cars.
There are insurance companies that specialise in those devices.
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Then there's those that completely disregard the safety of others and are the type of person that will not think about their actions prior. IMO, very difficult to educate
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Then there's the punishment option .
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1. Stupid idea
2. 3 years for any kind of idea like that is ridiculous.
Only thing IMO they can do is to make the test much stricter or a certain amount of lessons/hours before you can even book it.
@ChrisUK: Oh yeah The bottom line is, nobody thinks the ages should be risen to 21
EDIT: i hear you can learn when youre 17 but not drive until youre 18?
The bottom line is, nobody thinks the ages should be risen to 21EDIT: i hear you can learn when youre 17 but not drive until youre 18?
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Well then run for office. Be a good little minister and next time the big boys jobs are being handed out you can ask for Transport Minister. If you think 17 year olds would be better off not driving, this is the way to effect change. Coming on a forum and insulting younger members by implying they're all bad drivers makes you look like a dickhead.
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I believe 16 To get a Provisional for a Moped Only - so you can do your CBT
I dont think you should be allowed to Start learning at 17, i think you should wait till your 18
It gets rid of the 17's y/o yobs who suddenly think there the dogs ******** of the world
If there was a Compulsory Course on Advanced braking and Slide control - i'd be the first monkey to give a whirl
I'd love to be able to stop quicker and Know what a sliding situation feels like
Sure i know the thoery, but really its not the same
Plus all these PC/Xbox/Ps3 games DONT HELP
They all think they can take a corner at 60mph like in the game
Infact they cant! Games and real life dont go - i mean look at the experiment that Jeremy Clarkson did with the game that time!
Ziggy
You would stop the 17 year olds acting like knobs, but they will be replaced by 18 year olds acting like knobs.
Please don't start blaming games, next thing you'll be saying GTA makes people shag hookers and kill them to get their money back...
No thats the recessions fault. Gotta save pennies any way you can.
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the recession is 1 big reason to blame for what today is like
people cant afford the insurance - so they drive without - Prang - Oh dear - Evey1's insurance has JUST gone up by another 25p per person
But its happening sooo much - its making insurance a joke!
Sure Education of New drivers is important
But what about Driving a little while people like me
or the people who have drove for 30years
or the old Dear who doesn't know what the accelerator is like (yes okay not all)
One big problem is the standards of driving from the elder to the younger is too different
for example, my grandparents were taught to use all the gear - gotta work through them all
My parent didnt
But between them there is a HUGE! style difference
Same again with me to my parents - the arguments it used to spark
There is Such a difference in style's of teaching and how to drive
that when my brother learns/learning his style is going to be way different to mine and thats just a few years different!
Re-education is a way forward and proper education for new drivers, but in a recession like this - Who the hell is going to pay for it?
As like now - i've got a licence, i wanna keep my car + me legal firstly......
that takes most of my money!
What about the Family who has lost all income support and on the doll.... they are going to be struggling to pay for everything, Are they going to pay for there Education?
But will the goverment? no, there already in debt
so who's left to blame and pay the claim
its the shotgun i'm afraid, every1 and everything is getting the blame
And as a result - we are now paying for it
So yes - kier your right, take 17's it still leaves 18's
and i didnt mean blame games like GTA, i mean blame racing games, they lure people into the false world of - in game is in real life
its not
You dont feel that Panic when things do go wrong - you just press re:wind on the game, do it different and no1 is hurt
In reallife how many of us would be reusing that button if it exsisted?
Anyway my mind clutter now on the table - take your pickings
Ziggy
people cant afford the insurance - so they drive without - Prang - Oh dear - Evey1's insurance has JUST gone up by another 25p per person
But its happening sooo much - its making insurance a joke!
Sure Education of New drivers is important
But what about Driving a little while people like me
or the people who have drove for 30years
or the old Dear who doesn't know what the accelerator is like (yes okay not all)
One big problem is the standards of driving from the elder to the younger is too different
for example, my grandparents were taught to use all the gear - gotta work through them all
My parent didnt
But between them there is a HUGE! style difference
Same again with me to my parents - the arguments it used to spark
There is Such a difference in style's of teaching and how to drive
that when my brother learns/learning his style is going to be way different to mine and thats just a few years different!
Re-education is a way forward and proper education for new drivers, but in a recession like this - Who the hell is going to pay for it?
As like now - i've got a licence, i wanna keep my car + me legal firstly......
that takes most of my money!
What about the Family who has lost all income support and on the doll.... they are going to be struggling to pay for everything, Are they going to pay for there Education?
But will the goverment? no, there already in debt
so who's left to blame and pay the claim
its the shotgun i'm afraid, every1 and everything is getting the blame
And as a result - we are now paying for it
So yes - kier your right, take 17's it still leaves 18's
and i didnt mean blame games like GTA, i mean blame racing games, they lure people into the false world of - in game is in real life
its not
You dont feel that Panic when things do go wrong - you just press re:wind on the game, do it different and no1 is hurt
In reallife how many of us would be reusing that button if it exsisted?
Anyway my mind clutter now on the table - take your pickings
Ziggy
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i think driving practical tests simply need to be made longer and harder. tbh its not hard to drive sensibly for 20 mins and do a few manouvers.
the driving standards agency make enough money from booking test etc surely they can make tests longer, this in turn will reduce the amount of new and inexperianced drivers on the road and when they do finally get on the road they'll have more road sense. first things first they need to sort out new drivers seating positions.
if you need to move your whole head to check side mirrors etc how do u know what's going on ahead.
the driving standards agency make enough money from booking test etc surely they can make tests longer, this in turn will reduce the amount of new and inexperianced drivers on the road and when they do finally get on the road they'll have more road sense. first things first they need to sort out new drivers seating positions.
if you need to move your whole head to check side mirrors etc how do u know what's going on ahead.
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A couple of thoughts here. If a driver thinks that the real world conditions in a car are the same as those in a game then frankly they deserve to crash and bear the consequences. But I don't think this is the case at all. Games are practice. Play a driving game a lot and its good for reflexes which translates into better reaction times which makes a better driver. And the simple act of playing a driving game indicates that you're a more interested and aware driver than the rest of the population who bumble along in their dullmobiles talking on phones, shaving, eating breakfast, turning around to yell at their kids etc etc. I have zero problem with games and their influence. And for the record, no I don't play them, I'm crap at them.
As for the insurance industry, the changes have to come from the leadership in the country. Want to solve the expensive problem of insurance for young people and their crashes affecting the rest of us? Do like the Aussies do. Require a compulsory third party damage policy to get a car on the road. Instantly you remove the majority of the problem of uninsured drivers and all the gobs of misery and resource hassle it brings. And you regulate the insurance industry such that compulsory third party cover becomes a standard low fee.
Young people are then forced into a choice. They buy cheap insurance that's third party cover only and they can get on the roads but if they crash no one will pay for their car, only the damage they do to third parties. Or they pay through the nose for full cover. The majority go third party only because lets face it, most people's first car is a rotbox not worth anything. The risk then lives in the compulsory world of insurance leaving the comprehensive side unaffected. So tons of kids crashing corsas doesn't make insurance expensive for the rest of us. Yes it does screw the insurance company a bit, but remember the third party bit is regulated so it can't get out of hand. And I'm strangely comfortable with the idea of screwing an insurance company back for a change.
