Raise Driving Min Age to 21

[jip0]

i'm currently doing a study on game based interfaces and they are starting to use serious multiplayer games to train surgeons in certain cardiac operations.

but like jnoiles said if someone belives that driving a car on forza or GT is anything like real life then they don't deserve to even have a license.

change it to 21 and new drivers will still drive like idiots if they have there pissed up best mate in the passenger seat telling him to drift his saxo round the roundabout.

good driving is a skill that is acquired from driving well and gaining experience, your age doesn't come in to it.

Yes we always see in the news that young drivers have crashed there cars etc but that happens to older people as well it just doesn't make it in to the local news paper

 

[dombooth]

I'd still class 18 year olds as kids too.

Immature little clots.

I'm 18, how I do drive then? And no I'm not an immature little clot.

Course on Advanced braking and Slide control - i'd be the first monkey to give a whirl

I'd love to be able to stop quicker and Know what a sliding situation feels like

I've been on the skid pan and it really is well worth it!

Dom

 

[jip0]

I'm 18, how I do drive then? And no I'm not an immature little clot.



I've been on the skid pan and it really is well worth it!

Dom

id love to go on a skid pan, is it expensive?

 

[dombooth]

id love to go on a skid pan, is it expensive?

I went with my IAM group to the police driver training place at Wakefield for a tenner but that was donation to a charity they was running.

£125 for 2 hours.
http://www.redletterdays.co.uk/Experience/Ref/XSPIE/Skidpan-Driving?method=Search

Dom

 

[Magic Johnson]

The fact that you were a self-confessed idiot at 17 doesn't mean that all 17 year olds are idiots behind the wheel.
For all we know you might still be an idiot now, just an older one.
Does that mean that everything should be judged by what you were capable of (or should that be incapable of?).
We want youngsters to take responsbility for their future, work hard, get a job, aspire to better things and help re-build our bankrupt country. Forcing all young people off the road until they are 21 because you couldn't drive at 17 is an idea that annoys me more than I can express in words.

Wow, whatever personal issues you're clearly having, leave them off the forum. Jeez.

My argument is that I don't believe that kids under 21 don't fully understand the consequences of bad/stupid driving, and the roads would be a better place without them. Now this isn't to say people over 21 aren't capable of idiocy, which is why I also suggested a far more stringent driving test, possibly followed by a 10 yearly mini test.

 

[jip0]

Wow, whatever personal issues you're clearly having, leave them off the forum. Jeez.

My argument is that I don't believe that kids under 21 don't fully understand the consequences of bad/stupid driving, and the roads would be a better place without them. Now this isn't to say people over 21 aren't capable of idiocy, which is why I also suggested a far more stringent driving test, possibly followed by a 10 yearly mini test.

im 19 nearly 20 been driving since i was 17 and i fully understand that i can die when driving my car and that some things are just plain stupid and what would happen if something possessed me to do them.

but of course by your logic i jump in my car floor it out of my drive slide it sideways down my road run over a few kids and old people and proceed to drive at 100mph to uni while high fiveing the other under 21 drivers doing exactly the same and congratulating them on there epic driving skills

 

[dombooth]

im 19 nearly 20 been driving since i was 17 and i fully understand that i can die when driving my car and that some things are just plain stupid and what would happen if something possessed me to do them.

but of course by your logic i jump in my car floor it out of my drive slide it sideways down my road run over a few kids and old people and proceed to drive at 100mph to uni while high fiveing the other under 21 drivers doing exactly the same and congratulating them on there epic driving skills

Yeah init:devil:

Dom

 

[Magic Johnson]

im 19 nearly 20 been driving since i was 17 and i fully understand that i can die when driving my car and that some things are just plain stupid and what would happen if something possessed me to do them.

but of course by your logic i jump in my car floor it out of my drive slide it sideways down my road run over a few kids and old people and proceed to drive at 100mph to uni while high fiveing the other under 21 drivers doing exactly the same and congratulating them on there epic driving skills

You can tell you're a kid as you've taken my argument completely out of context, and coupled that with a sarcastic, condescending rhetort.

Congratulations on missing the point.

 

[dombooth]

You can tell you're a kid as you've taken my argument completely out of context, and coupled that with a sarcastic, condescending rhetort.

Congratulations on missing the point.

What exactly was the point then..?

From what I can see your point is that all young drivers drive like morons, am I right?

Dom

 

[Magic Johnson]

No, my point is the roads would be a safer place without them.

But please continue attempting to be a smart alec, it's amusing.

 

[hf turbo]

having driving test every ten years is pointless and just putting money in to governments pocket. frankly i'd have to stick 2 fingers up to that.

however i think the retest at the age of 70 needs to be lowered to perhaps 60.

 

[Gaz37]

I'm not proud to admit that I too drove like a t*t when I was younger BUT I had mates the same age who drove like my Gran.

Equally there are plenty of irresponsible 21 year olds who should never be allowed on the roads.

I don't think responsible driving is age related, it's attitude related but unfortunately attitude cannot be legislated.

I am often very suspicious of those who campaign on single issue road safety issues as I often wonder what the standard of their driving is like, you often see the parents of kids who were killed by speeding/drunk/mobile phone using drivers on TV (understandably) urging for the offenders to hung drawn and quartered, I often think that I'd love to follow them for a few days to see how well they drive themselves.

We ALL make mistakes and judgement errors whilst driving and although there is conclusive proof that young drivers ahve more accidents I don't think it fair to say that ALL young drivers drive like idiots.

 

[Gaz37]

He must have been seriously hoofing it to bend the car like that

Yes, probably doing 80-90mph in case he got bored at 70

 

[dombooth]

No, my point is the roads would be a safer place without them.

But please continue attempting to be a smart alec, it's amusing.

Okay, so what about me then? I'm 18 but I don't drive like a t*t.

I didn't realise I was..

Dom

 

[jip0]

You can tell you're a kid as you've taken my argument completely out of context

No, my point is the roads would be a safer place without them.

But please continue attempting to be a smart alec, it's amusing.

and why would they be a safer place without young drivers?

My argument is that I don't believe that kids under 21 don't fully understand the consequences of bad/stupid driving

ah yes but didn't i say

im 19 nearly 20 been driving since i was 17 and i fully understand that i can die when driving my car and that some things are just plain stupid and what would happen if something possessed me to do them.

so in fact i did keep your argument in context

and you obviously cant tell I'm a kid you know nothing about me

I live by myself
I am studying for a degree
I have 2 jobs to fund my living and learning

but of course in all your wisdom from living on the planet for a few more years i am a kid

what do i need to do to qualify as being an adult and being deemed safe to be on the roads?

 

[TallTom]

No, my point is the roads would be a safer place without them.

But please continue attempting to be a smart alec, it's amusing.

Nope what you where trying to say and your choice of words was terrible so that it was assumed that you are attacking 17yr olds. Is that roads are safer without inexperinced drivers on them, which is true. Age makes no difference he/she could pass at 19 and fly round a corner in the wet and lose control and wipe out a whole school bus of kids Yet at the same time there are older drivers with no idea whats going on, 25-50 age group etc.

I am 26, and still drive like a tit sometimes (Tend to do this without trying to endanger other people and also never ever in residential areas), however due to previous mistakes and other bits and pieces I now know how to control the car more effectively. Experience has taught me this though, I also know stopping distances are a lot longer than I first thought! (going into the back of someone when I was younger at a set of traffic lights taught me this, think I was 19/20)

Unfortunatley this is a difficult subject to actually create a reasonable solution to. For example raising the age would just increase the age of the inexperienced drivers rather than solving the problem of experience.

My suggestion is that if you are 17-19 you should have to pass two tests to be able to drive as well as taking and advanced trackday/skid pan course (Who pays for this course, how is there access for everyone? That problem now comes out as well) Reasons for this is current test only picks a few manouvers, could be totally lethal at 7/10 but get the 3/10 you can do in the test and BOOM you are on the road and a hazard to everyone!

I know people that have passed test 1st time and literally scare me on the road at 30mph around, they have no idea what is going on, they cannot read the road, keep crazy short distances and brake far to late and hard. There are also those are destined to get in people ways on single track roads doing 25/60 zone as they just do not have the confidence.

I passed my test 3rd time, the two failures before I was "happy" with, well I say happy in the perspective part, at the time was sad as I wanted the "freedom" and shortly after each I realised that was a weakness in my driving and improved it for the future. 2nd test failed 100 metres from the end, did a manourver that got me a major nothing was coming or could have hit me, but because of the implications in the future that there could have been someone there I failed

PS if I was transport minister, driving with foglight on when its not foggy would = £60 on the spot fine :devil:

PPS Sorry for the massive amount of text!

 

[dombooth]

There are also those are destined to get in people ways on single track roads doing 25/60 zone as they just do not have the confidence.

On single track roads I do that speed simply because you cannot see far enough to go any faster.

Dom

 

[Focus Owner]

PS if I was transport minister, driving with foglight on when its not foggy would = £60 on the spot fine :devil:

PPS Sorry for the massive amount of text!

carries points dont it? and a fine its already illegal anyways

 

[TallTom]

On single track roads I do that speed simply because you cannot see far enough to go any faster.

Dom

Round tight corners etc for a road that you do not know I have no problem with it, down a straight bit of road when you have lots of visibility and you still do 25mph = no confidence. you should be able to do 60mph down a 60mph road at least once in your journey in my eyes.

carries points dont it? and a fine its already illegal anyways

Ok first time is a warning 2nd time should be shot , accidents happen I know and you can be stupid and not know what buttons on lights on the dashboard mean in the car. it just annoys the hell out of me! Just see far to many people with them on for no reason, especially annoying on motorways!

 

[dombooth]

Round tight corners etc for a road that you do not know I have no problem with it, down a straight bit of road when you have lots of visibility and you still do 25mph = no confidence. you should be able to do 60mph down a 60mph road at least once in your journey in my eyes.

Obviously when when my limit point moves further away then yes I'll firm up my speeds to the limit where possible and safe. There are speed limits in my area that you cannot get to the limit then slow down in time for the next one.

Dom