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i think we wont know for sure untill you check the engine code (Left of the engine from the front, beneath the exhaust manifold, on the iron block, just above the water pump outlet is a little ledge. On there is the ID number and the engine code.) or get it on a dyno. hope it is a 1.4 if thats what you payed for

also, thinking about it. its defo a 1.2 crank pulley. but that isnt a straight swap from a 1.4 the tdc sensor would be too far inwards. you would HAVE to replace the oil pump and housing also, to move it. still possible but iunno.
 
Engine mounts, defo the 1.4 one on those pics.

Tbh, i think it's a 1.2, i reckon it's had a bottom end swap at some point for a 1.2 16v. Agreed on the tdc sensor port btw, it is further out. I'm not bothered, i got the engine at a great price regardless, cheap for a 1.2, a steal if it was a 1.4, so it's no disaster if it is indeed a 1.2 :)

Also, i've also got myself a mk1 punto sporting top end, with double valve springs and spicier cams ;) (original plan was to swap only the cylinder head onto the 1.4 to utilise the standard downpipe and manifold, but i got the whole top end as a job lot/contingency plan for if it was only an 80bhp 1.2 :)
 
Btw, i had a look, on that ledge mine doesn't have an engine code on that ledge above the water pump. I'm 99% sure it's a 1.2 now tbh. I think the car it came from (i'm assured was reg'd was 100% a 1.4 on the logbook) has had an engine change at some point and whoever they bought that from has removed it to sell as a 1.4. It's certainly not a recent thing that's been done, the block has the usual light brown corrosion look there. I got it very, very cheap for a 1.2 16v, would have been a steal as a 1.4... so i don't mind as long as it's a good runner, and the breakers assure me it is, but then they thought it was a 1.4 too, so what do they know? :laugh:

We'll see :) As said before when i first suspected this... it MAY work to my advantage in terms of ease of setting it up. Whilst the 1.4 is outright more powerful, it would have been running on 1.2 16v ecu and most likely 1.2 injectors at first.

I have mk1 sporting head and cams to fit, so all in i should be running close-ish to 85bhp, with the mk1 ecu, 1.6 tb, induction and freer flowing exhaust setup i should probably be nudging over 90 brake cleanly out the box with the potential for another few bhp later down the line on a nicer ex manifold and general tuning. Might have been 10bhp more with the 1.4, but really to get the best from that (1.2 ecu seems to cause fueling issues and some hesitation low down), it would have needed a standalone ecu such as megasquirt or emerald mapped. What little i may have lost in outright power i'll have gained a little in drive-ability lower down, and a couple more mpg to boot :p

Anyway, plan is to "fit" the engine tomorrow... i still don't have a gearbox, but i'm going to fit the engine and rebuild it in the car because i'm stuck for floorspace. I'll bolt the bottom end in with the Drivers side mount tomorrow, put a block of wood under the sump and support it on an old honda alloy i have in the garage :)
 
Mrcento said:
Btw, i had a look, on that ledge mine doesn't have an engine code on that ledge above the water pump. I'm 99% sure it's a 1.2 now tbh. I think the car it came from (i'm assured was reg'd was 100% a 1.4 on the logbook) has had an engine change at some point and whoever they bought that from has removed it to sell as a 1.4. It's certainly not a recent thing that's been done, the block has the usual light brown corrosion look there. I got it very, very cheap for a 1.2 16v, would have been a steal as a 1.4... so i don't mind as long as it's a good runner, and the breakers assure me it is, but then they thought it was a 1.4 too, so what do they know? :laugh:

We'll see :) As said before when i first suspected this... it MAY work to my advantage in terms of ease of setting it up. Whilst the 1.4 is outright more powerful, it would have been running on 1.2 16v ecu and most likely 1.2 injectors at first.

I have mk1 sporting head and cams to fit, so all in i should be running close-ish to 85bhp, with the mk1 ecu, 1.6 tb, induction and freer flowing exhaust setup i should probably be nudging over 90 brake cleanly out the box with the potential for another few bhp later down the line on a nicer ex manifold and general tuning. Might have been 10bhp more with the 1.4, but really to get the best from that (1.2 ecu seems to cause fueling issues and some hesitation low down), it would have needed a standalone ecu such as megasquirt or emerald mapped. What little i may have lost in outright power i'll have gained a little in drive-ability lower down, and a couple more mpg to boot :p

Anyway, plan is to "fit" the engine tomorrow... i still don't have a gearbox, but i'm going to fit the engine and rebuild it in the car because i'm stuck for floorspace. I'll bolt the bottom end in with the Drivers side mount tomorrow, put a block of wood under the sump and support it on an old honda alloy i have in the garage :)

Any updates?
 
Not really.

As planned, The engine is partially "in" (i.e it's in the bay and bolted up on one mount, supported by a wheel underneath) it's kinda frustrating at the moment, i have nearly everything to get it running now but the stupid little and otherwise insignificant seeming (bar the rather large/significant detail of not having the gearbox as yet) parts i am missing means i can't put it together or do much more because i'd just be doing work i'd need to undo again or making future jobs more difficult having to work around things that don't need to be in place yet in a tight engine bay.

The good thing is having 95% of the parts already here, having the other 5% means when things really start going together (planned this week), they should fly together very quickly....

Should... emphasis always on should :laugh:
 
Sigh

and on that note, anyone know where i can get clutch cover plate bolts from? Needing them, the Flywheel lock ring and Flywheel bolts (though the latter isn't so much of a problem, i can get them a little easier)
 
Think from memory they are hex headed m8's but the problem is the thread pitch is 1.25 and they need to be high tensile... but hopefully a solution is near :)

Should be going on a trip early this week to pick up some bits that will pretty much complete the "kit", (Bar the suspension, but i can't help that, everywhere is out of stock of the rear shocks and springs just now but should be back in this week or next, last parts i'll be fitting anyhoooo)

In other news, it's just hit me that i need to do one of my least favourite, annoying, repetitive, fiddly jobs still.... valve stem seals. Easy enough but just really, really ****ing repetitive and boring.

And that's on an 8v engine

I've got 16 of the ****ers to do now :laugh:
 
Yeah, it's easy peasy, just repetitive as hell compressing springs etc 16 times over, i just hate repetitive jobs like that and headbolts... i'll be a lot happier when i get the valves all done and the head on tbh :laugh:
 
I now have me a gearbox and some bolts :) Still need a handful of bits in order to fit it all together, bit so, so, so close to being able to start doing so... aiming to have it mechanically built by the end of the weekend :D (further parts arriving permitted)
 
Got an hour done tonight

Flywheel on... found the lock ring only fits one way or else the bolt holes don't line up, so that took 4 attempts.

Anyway, after getting the bolts all tightened, i set about fitting the new clutch, plopped on the plate and cover, 3 bolts in finger tight, all good.... spent about 10 minutes aligning the clutch plate by eye and feel, nipped up the 3 bolts then put the other 3 in..... only to find there was the remains of a sheared bolt still in the flywheel.... ****.

Clutch off, thankfully i could get the end of a screwdriver onto it and hammer it anti clockwise, it started to move so i got pliers on and the bolt out. SUCCESS!

Clutch back on... aligned.... cover bolts all tightened up.

New thrust bearing on gearbox shaft, lightly copper greased shaft, back of thrust bearing, clutch fork and it's bushes.

Slapped the gearbox onto a jack, wheeled it into place and with a bit of fiddling and manhandling, it slid onto clutch splines no bother and fell into place at more or less first time of asking. :D so that's been lightly bolted up now too.

Excellent progress, very pleased. Just ran out of light for pics, hopefully tomorrow :)
 
quick q... all the bolts are 1.25 pitch right? need more bolts or i'm kinda stuck :(

Been an annoying day tbh, every bit of time i made up by flying through fitting the gearbox was lost and then some today, fitted alternator and starter motor and front mounting bracket back to the body only to find out i have no bolts that fit for connecting it to the gearbox.

So set about sorting out the gear linkage, only to get totally confused by the fact that one of the brackets lines up to the square root of **** all.... half of it kinda fitted onto the other linkage bracket, so that seems right but the other part connects to nothing, it's kinda confusing with no head on to see if anything might fit up with that or what.

Anyway, tried the gears and 1 seem to have 1-4... not sure about 5th or reverse but will look into it next time. tbh i was that pissed off with the days work taking forever for simple stuff and missing bolts aplenty i just wanted home again.
 
Grr it's thrown a hissy fit... and so have i.

Now need a clutch link rod on top of other things, mine has sheared.

Bright side, it did it now rather than on the road....
 
Cheers. After a really good first proper day of rebuilding Just having a right dip in morale with it over the past couple of days because of stupid bolts of stupid sizes, brackets that seem to have magically reshaped themselves and it finding more parts to break. Virtually nothing has gone right since then. Such is projects though i guess, Just gotta keep telling myself that these are the hard parts, by the time i get to the top part of the engine, i already have everything and of that i don't, it's very easy to get
 
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