OT - Bmw M5 - Young Lad

[Shaun Cook]

OK so this will take abit of reading so I will give you the basic jist of whats going on here below the links...

Read me first >> http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=111454

Then read me!! >> http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=111545







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Young lad aged 18 joins the M5board. All he asks is advise on idrive and gear changes etc. People do what they usually do on Forums and slag the young lad off as no doubt they are jealous of what he has regardless of how he has achieved it. Young lad maintains his composure throughout the thread and never backchats anyone.

One of the members on m5board starts reading a news article and notices similarities between the details described in that and what the young lad posted on the Forums.

So essentially the news article states his car was involved in a high speed crash which resulted in 5 people dying.

I wonder how bad the people who slated him feel now!

One for the money Two for the show

 

[Dan Brown]

Left me feeling a bit sick. It's very weird to see the before and after posts capturing when someone died.

Dan

 

[Roberto]

I wouldn't be feeling too bad, personally.

Proof yet again that extreme inexperience coupled with extreme power is a deadly mix.

Maybe the parents who bought him the car and allowed him to drive it should be held accountable in some way ?

It's not victimising young people when you prevent them from owning or using these machines. It's protecting them, and the innocent passengers and other victims.

Sad, but nature's way of cleaning out the gene pool.

Rob
Mk.2 Marea Weekend 1.8 16v 115 ELX - Bigger IS better !

 

[Sabre 23]

I agree with Roberto, wholeheartedly!

 

[seb]

http://www.ocala.com/article/20080127/BREAKING_NEWS/274162577/1053/BREAKING_NEWS

It is sad, such a shame and an eye opener! for me anyway

 

[Shaun Cook]

i had an eye opener ALONG time ago..i use to be a **** on the road..but now my eyes have opened and this is just one of them things that happens if u want to show off..or even if u dont know anything about the car u drive, such as knowing the limits and how far u can push the car..saying that..a car shouldnt be pushed at all...

One for the money Two for the show

 

[marko]

At first I thought this was a funny post about the irony of having settings and needing a HND in BMW to get the DIFF on 500p SP6 etc.
Then I saw the mangled wreck and thought "ouch".

I'm with Rob on this one. Darwinian justice it might be. The sad fact is that there are fools the world over that have the potential to do the same thing and don't even know it yet.

As I grow older I pay more attention to miles per tank instead of miles per hour.

 

[steve]

sad news but

If i were the boys father i would not lend my 18yr old son my M5.

Its akin to letting him carry a loaded gun, it only takes one mistake to ruin someones day.

Its a sad fact that young people do like to take risks.

Thats why insurance is sky high for them.

The blame lies equally with his father.

Obviously they weren't short of a bob or two, if he wanted his son to have a car....buy him a small/slow car. Less chance of him launching that off the end of a runway at what must have been over 100mph (especially with 5 people in it)

 

[g5een]

marko, couldnt of put it better myself.

 

[johnson]

just because we maybe younger doesnt mean we cant hack the power of a car like that, admitidley some cant but thats not every young driver. why does being older mean you can hack more power it doesnt. you may be more expierienced on the road but that doesnt mean anything i no plenty of older drivers that are crap. not trying to start anything it just annoying how cos im young i have to fork out 1400-1600 on a 1.2.

plus im really in2 drifting and am just saving for my drift car but i have m8s aged between 19-21 nd are driving s13s,s14s, rx7s with over 400bhp+ and are really good.

again not trying to start jst thought i'd say and im not slagin of older drivers either.

johnson

 

[Roberto]

Statistically, you are more likely to have a major accident at a younger age than at an older age. There are approx. 55,000 accidents a year involving drivers aged between 21-24 and about 11,000 involving drivers over 60. That's a fact.

At 18 your actions are controlled more by your hormones than your rational sense of thinking. That's also a fact.

Remember, us "oldies" have been there and experienced it. We don't just make it up.

So, to give an 18 year old a 500bhp M5 instead of a 55bhp Punto is comparable to giving a toddler a .44 Magnum instead of a water pistol. Both will do damage, but one won't necessarily kill you.

There are indeed a clutch of young drivers who are more than capable of handling motor cars of a similar power to that M5, but the vast majority of those will have been professionally schooled in driving to a very advanced level.

Your "driftin" mates might look good to you and any other impressionable teenager, but if they drive like that on the road, they are demonstrating the kind of incompetence, irrational behaviour and immaturity that ends up with situations like the one shown above.

It's not simply just my opinion, but one backed up by statistical fact.

Rob
Mk.2 Marea Weekend 1.8 16v 115 ELX - Bigger IS better !

 

[Anonymous]

I have seen this on another forum,and i agree the father is to blame as mutch as the silly driving by the young guy that died,or mabye the law aswell is a let down with regards to age = ponnies under the bonet.


@ johnson There is no substitute,for expierence, regardles how good a driver you think you are,and a lot of the time it's not your driving you have to look out for.

Your comment just goes to prove that.

Cheers Scotty

 

[mistreshgt]

urrgggh!! things like that make me feel ill. i agree wholeheartedly that MOST young drivers are far too concerned with putting their foot to the floor than being aware of whats around them and anticipating problems in the road up ahead. but saying that ive been driving since i was 17 (thats 14 now) but steve didnt pass til he was 29 so he has only been driving 6 years. and the stupid thing is when he was 31 he went and bought a fiesta rs turbo with an uprated 1.9 engine and so much torque and so little weight it wouldnt go in a straight line. stupid stupid boy!! thankfully he has grown up a bit now and drives the 20vt6 coupe like a granny. my point being is that just coz you have a fast car you dont have to drive like an idiot. and personally i think slower cars with small engines should be compulsory for newish drivers. insurance cover should not be offered on performance cars for new drivers regardless of their actual age or how many pennies they may have in theirs or daddies bank account.


mistress steps down from her soap box and exits stage left!!!

 

[johnson]

just wanted to point out we dont drift on public roads lol didnt want u tinkin dat were doing a tokyo drift schene or summit. they do all thier racing on track and one has been lucky enough to be sponsored arrrrggh! . jealous

i do see your points tho.

johnson

 

[johnson]

just wondering what the insurance would be like on a say 29 year old man who has only just passed his test compared to an 18 year old, because they both have the same exp and both probably wana "put thier foot to the floor" cos they have just passed. only difference being age.

becuase if there is a big difference in price why should that be? just because they may be older.

johnson

 

[mistreshgt]

steves insurance on the rs turbo was about £800 fully comp. he had been driving about 2 years with 2 years NCB!! bit low in my opinion for the amount of experience he had. exactly sums up my point in my previous post.

 

[Buzz]

The 29 yr old would naturally pay less due to the increased likelihood he's not going to do things as risky as he might have 10 years earlier. Life teaches you a lot!

Buzz
The champion of the Bravo 1.4
& now ex owner of a Bravo 1.8

 

[Tommy K]

I can only comment on what 8years of driving has taught me....

Mainly... It don't matter how fast you drive, how many cars you overtake.... there are just so many cars on the road all those risks might mean you arrive home only 1min earlier than you would have done normally.



Driving back from kates I use sat nav & it tells me just when im going to get home.... To gain an extra min I have to do...


well lets work it out.. @ 60mph you do 1 mile a minute.... so to gain an extra min you have to drive 1 MPH quicker every 60miles...

Doesn't sound much untill you work out how fast you have to drive above the speed limit to gain just 1 minute!!!

When you work out the maths you see it's not worth it!!!


I have a quick car now and it scares me so much I drive it slower than my diesel golf!!

Tommy K - Have you got the Bottle!!

 

[Carroll]

I agree that, (harsh as it is on a parent who's lost a child) the Father who let him drive the car has a lot to answer for - and I would'nt want to live with what he has to now for the rest of his days.

Regardless of the age you start driving, I've always thought it best to start modest and then work your way up, (the power to weight ratio and/or more expensive car) in stages.

If you're younger, it gives you something to look forward to every few months in a more affordable way, (especialy insurance wise) and can help you build-up your skills progresively.

I started 'driving' a Bedford van on a farm at 14, had my first share, (with 3 mates) in a road-going car, (a Mini 1000) at 16, (I don't remember it being clever now and I'm not proud of it - it's NOT to be recommended!) then raced karts from 17 and finaly went 'road legal' at 18 with a Lada 1500 Estate, (don't laugh, it was tougher, faster, better equipped and quieter than my mate's Mk2 Escorts of the day ) - so I had quite a bit of experience for a young 'un back then.
- Did'nt stop me making a tit of myself a few times with it in the first few months after passing my test though - luckily nothing serious, but the car picked-up a few dings.

My main 'Dream Car' back then was a black Talbot Sunbeam Lotus - still a beast today - and I'm soooo glad I could'nt afford to buy/insure one until I was 29 and by then had owned about 7 other cars in between.

That thing did turn round and bite me one day when I did'nt expect it, (after 6000 miles of ownership and it was dry) - luckily no crash followed, but I'm sure I'd have lasted less than 1000 miles if I'd owned it at 18, (or even 20, lol.)

 

[Jayfish]

i am an enthusiastic driver...
but 17 years of driving, my fair share of close shaves, oh **** moments and a couple of offs have taught me a lot, respect for conditions, respect for distances, respect for braking, respect for others.
I still push my car hard but i have a much clearer idea of limits and of safe, knowledge i couldn't have had at 18 or even 25. You can try to defend powerful cars at a young age but it is plainly obvious that the more experience you have the less likely an accident is.