Technical Need Urgent Help - Car Not Starting

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Technical Need Urgent Help - Car Not Starting

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Ok, so the car broke down and I need some help. I label it as urgent as I have pushed it to a safe place but could do with getting it back in action and home.

INTRO:
The car is a 2009 Fiat Panda Dynamic Eco 1.2L Petrol, with 146k miles
The car has been fine for some time then this morning we got up early for a family appointment and the car felt off. It felt hesitant and at times close to stall. If I wanted to speed up, I would push the accelerator and the car would hesitate – I would back off the accelerator and build up speed more gradually. I nearly got home when the engine stalled while I was driving. After this I could not restart. Now the car cranks but there is no ignition so I cannot start the engine.

Here is a video of me trying to start the car:


Sorry, not sure if there is much to see here. The engine cranks, voltage dropped to 9.5ish V.
Cranking_Torque_Screenshot.jpg


WHAT HAVE I DONE SO FAR:
So, I don’t really know what to do so I did the following (after walking home, packing a back with some stuff and cycling back):

1) Read Error Codes: There were none
There were no error codes – I was not expecting this.

2) Test the Battery: Seemed ok to me
I appreciate this is a contentious area but the battery did not appear to be obviously broken.
Battery Voltage (ignition off): 12.22V. I let car rest, ran headlights for 30s and measured battery voltage. I did not disconnect the terminals.
Battery Voltage (cranking): 9.64V. Measured across the terminals as the car cranked and let it stabilise a bit.

3) Checked the Throttle Position Sensor: Seemed ok to me
I connected to the OBD and watched the signal as I moved the throttle through its range of motion. The signal appeared smooth and as expected – though this was with the engine off. I checked as I was seeing hesitation when pressing the accelerator.
TPS_Torque_Screenshot.jpg

4) Checked the Crank TDC Sensor: Seemed ok to me
I had a spare sensor so swapped it in. The car still did not start and there was no notable change in symptoms.

5) Checked the Engine Earthing: Seemed fine to me
I tried battery negative terminal to different parts of the engine and earthing points. Pathways all looked suitably low resistance. I put a secondary earth strap some time ago and all looked fine.

6) Checked the Fuel Cut Off Switch: Seemed fine to me
I found the switch under the passenger seat and pushed it a few times. Nothing changed.
I think this is the switch, under the passenger seat, the black rubber inside the protective white metal ring
Fuel_Switch.jpg

7) Checked Sound of Fuel Pump Priming: Seemed fine to me
When I turned on the ignition (but not started the engine) I can hear the hum at the back seat as the fuel pump primes


QUESTIONS:
1) Are the dashboard lights correct?
I cannot remember if they should turn off or not. This is ignition on only (not cranking or starting engine) after waiting for other lights to turn off. The lights that remained on are:
Handbrake (the handbrake was on so this is expected), Engine Management Light, Battery Light, Oil Light
Dashboard_Lights_Ignition_On.jpg
2) What should I do next? I need some basic guidance as I am at the limits of my knowledge.
I will look at checking for spark and for fuel getting to the cylinders, but I don't know how to do this off hand.

Thanks for any help!

EDIT: Corrected mileage type, added images for TPS and cranking telemetry from Torque.
 
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Sounds like you have done most of the obvious issues and I can see the rev counter is trying so crank sensor seems good.
You can hear fuel pump .
On yours can you check if there is fuel at the fuel rail, sometimes they have what looks like a tyre valve which you can push to release a little fuel.
Can you remove a spark plug and reconnect coil lead to see if any spark?
Chipped key appears to be working, but do you have a spare to try?
 
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Yeap, that one looks like either fuel is missing, or the spark is missing.
The lights does look alright, although I never seen the battery an oil lights flashing. I didn't have a no start either.
Although you can hear the fuel pump running, there can be problems on the fuel line. Best you could do is to read the fuel pressure if you can. Or you can take a spark plug out after crancking and see if there are traces of petrol on it.
With the spark, the spark plugs could be faulty or the coils, or the leads. You should test if there's any spark.
 
Are you sure the pumps priming for a couple of seconds as you turn the ignition on

I can here the blowers start



Listen here if you have an assistant

I take it the battery and oil is staying on and it's just the camera making it flicker
 
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There's quite a bit we know from the video

ECU is talking to the body computer
The body computer is talking to the dash
There petrol in the car
It's not the earth strap
The crank sensor is working
The battery is good
The cars got compression
 
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