General My 1.4 will only start on SECOND attempt, when cold. Cause??

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General My 1.4 will only start on SECOND attempt, when cold. Cause??

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As above, my 2008 1.4 requires a second attempt, in order to start & run from cold. On the FIRST attempt, it seems to fire up momentarily, then dies - an immediate SECOND attempt then starts the car as normally expected.

Subsequent re-starts, with warm/hot engine always work FIRST time!

Any ideas, please, as to likely cause - ?
 
(to John 202020 ) - "Kidding", in what sense? It's my wife's car and it get v.little use, hence paltry miles! Never had cause to even take plugs out...
(to Koalar) - I don't have any hang-up, regarding use of booster cables/spare battery, which I have, just didn't see need, given that car spins over OK .BUT, if you reckon, it would serve to eliminate battery as my issue, as possibly due to a weak in-car battery, I will give it a try!
 
You're kidding?
Either way new Iridium plugs
And new engine earth strap if it's not been replaced
Well I agree absolutely with most of that. 2008 and still on the original plugs? really? Iridium plugs though? I'm not convinced of the case for them unless you're clocking up a lot of miles. I run both our Panda and our boy's Punto - both FIRE engines - on standard "copper" plugs - mainly because our factor sells me standard NGK plugs for "silly" money making it a no brainer. They stay in for 2 years and then get changed. I'd say also that the earth strap needs a good examination and a vigorous "waggle". If lots of green dust comes out and it looks frayed, as they are prone to do, then definitely change it. However I think a poor earth cable will give poor cranking so would have been noticed already. These cables are a known weakness though so worth changing anyway if a few years old.
 
(to John 202020 ) - "Kidding", in what sense? It's my wife's car and it get v.little use, hence paltry miles! Never had cause to even take plugs out...
(to Koalar) - I don't have any hang-up, regarding use of booster cables/spare battery, which I have, just didn't see need, given that car spins over OK .BUT, if you reckon, it would serve to eliminate battery as my issue, as possibly due to a weak in-car battery, I will give it a try!
A good way to eliminate that earth cable is to use one jump lead connected between the engine block and a good chassis earth point. That will "parallel" the earth cable and eliminate it from the equation if it's either internally corroded or is making a poor connection somewhere.

However the symptoms you're describing don't too comfortably fit your reported problems, plugs in particular, which I would expect to give misfires when running as well as poor starting?

I like the idea of jumping it with a known good battery as any change would indicate there's either a battery or connection problem.
 
(to John 202020 ) - "Kidding", in what sense? It's my wife's car and it get v.little use, hence paltry miles! Never had cause to even take plugs out...
(to Koalar) - I don't have any hang-up, regarding use of booster cables/spare battery, which I have, just didn't see need, given that car spins over OK .BUT, if you reckon, it would serve to eliminate battery as my issue, as possibly due to a weak in-car battery, I will give it a try!
Plugs have a service life in either miles or age, standards ones are generally regarded as in need of replacement at 2 years old Iridium ones at 5 years old unless the car has covered a substantial mileage in less time, Eg. 65,000 in 3 years for iridium say, I'd strongly recommend they are replaced even with standard ones however I would have a garage replace them given you say they've been in 14 years?
 
By the way, our Becky - 1.2 Panda eco dynamic, so 60hp engine - is mainly Mrs J's car and does lots of very short distance shopping trips. Probably only does 1,000 miles a year, was a lot less last 2 years due to covid, but plugs do deteriorate with age, especially insulation wise, so I still change them every second service.
 
I'd strongly recommend they are replaced even with standard ones however I would have a garage replace them given you say they've been in 14 years?
I think that's an excellent idea as, if they are the originals, they will be "standard" plugs and quite likely to have corrosion problems after so long which can be a very difficult problem to deal with if you've little experience.
 
Our Panda started doing this 6 months ago and did it right up till the battery died stone dead, A new battery has restored order, Likely your battery is getting tired seems possible. Untill the day our battery died this was the only sign of an issue. Even after it died the battery sits there showing 12.8V.
 
Strewth ! Just looked under bonnet, thinking about changing spark plugs, they seem to be buried under the air filter! Presumably, I would take off the front section of the filter housing, then there seem to be 3 bolts holding main (black plastic) main plenum section in situ, so undo those to access the plugs - sound right?
 
I vaguely recall that I removed the airbox without taking the paper element out of its postbox.

Once you have detached the intake/snorkel from the front of the airbox, I think there's just a nut or two holding the plastic "foot" (or feet) of the airbox onto the inlet manifold, after which it just lifts off.

There's a fiendishly hidden small (8-10mm) pipe coming out of a 90-degree elbow on the bottom of the rear airbox casing, which is attached to the manifold, or rocker cover (can't remember which) so before you lift up the airbox, just feel under the rear of the airbox for this pipe and prise it off the "engine" end before you lift the airbox out. If you just lift the box in a hurry, you can snap the elbow, which is a moulded part of the airbox, so would be a glue it up or replacement casing job.

Replacing the plugs is a good call... but my guess is that it's the benzina, since "a few months" of this issue coincides with the E10. Once you have the new plugs in there, if it's still moody then get some nitro-methane/octane booster and feed the car with it, just to prove that more fiesty fuel would solve the problem.

The plugs don't have to be anything flashy; but a new plug always makes a difference to my lawnmower, so they might sort your motor too.


Ralf S.
 
Right, this is it, work will be done this week!

We haven't needed to start/use the car for about 3-weeks but, now Xmas is over, I will 'get on with it', order plugs & an air filter, forthwith - as I do this, can I ask what the correct plug gap should be, please?
 
Thanks for plug gap guidance - I duly fitted a new set + new air filter earlier this afternoon, though car had started FIRST TIME, when I drove off to get these items !! Just perverse.....

So yes, now fitted - bit more of a job that in old cars like Minis! The plugs are so deep down and lots of disconnecting of wires had to be done! Ah well, it re-started just fine but big test will come on Wednesday, when I have to use car next - will report!
 
Thanks for plug gap guidance - I duly fitted a new set + new air filter earlier this afternoon, though car had started FIRST TIME, when I drove off to get these items !! Just perverse.....
So yes, now fitted - bit more of a job that in old cars like Minis! The plugs are so deep down and lots of disconnecting of wires had to be done! Ah well, it re-started just fine but big test will come on Wednesday, when I have to use car next - will report!
 
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