Technical Multipla Non Starter :(

[tnpali01]

Hi I am a new and proud new Multipla owner .... Always seen them but never had the funds to get one new... now I have a 1.9 Jtd 2007 and its temperamental... its refusing to start first time, sometimes not at all... Taken it to one garage and nothing came up on diagnostics. Not sure, and all they could suggest was replacing parts... As money is tight Id rather find out whats wrong and repair rather than trial and error... Its recently had new battery, a cambelt, water pump and cam sensor change. Sometimes it starts and then dies, other times it refuses ... The yellow EML comes on sometimes , and the glow plug warning also flashes just before it dies. If I catch it by giving it a bit more diesel, increasing revs before it dies it runs . I cant rely on it as it will cut out and therefore is off road right now.

Read through a number of posts but not really sure what it could be as symptoms arent always same. Is this symptoms of crankshaft sensor but my starting issues are cold, not when warmed up, failing relay or is there something Multipla specific I need to investigate?

Any ideas, suggestions. ?

 

[varesecrazy]

That glow warning could be a clue..

Do they actually get power reliably?

 

[widemouthfrog]

Did you fit the cambelt, or did someone else do it (before you bought it)? The timing may be out. Is it rough runnig when it does start?

Is the inside of the oil filler cap clean - no white residue in the oil?

Strange that the EML comes on but nothing shows up on a diagnostic scan. Does it come on when you get to about 3,000rpm?

Temperamental starting does sound like it could be the crank sensor, as you've said. That first occurs when the engine gets warmed up (as you say) but if left to get worse, it can happen even when cold. Eventually, the car won't start at all. It's a fairly simple thing to change and the part isn't too expensive - new Bosch ones can be found for around £20 on ebay. That's where I'd start.

 

[MultipleMultis]

I have had 3 multipla diesel multiplas and starting had never been an issue.
On 2 I had the crank sensor fail but it was always a warm issue never cold.

On 2010 one, I have to wait longer for glow plugs to do there thing or it fails to start. I suspect they need some attention.

Never had in 170 k / 130 k miles on 2003 and 2004 ones but they both needed sensors after about 90 k miles

Maybe a multijet issue ? Not much experience in this group on the later engine, dig around in rest of the forum.

Let us know how you get on.

 

[jackwhoo]

When you switch on but before cranking on starter motor does the yellow engine light come on?
Does the code / key light come on and go off?

 

[tnpali01]

No cambelt and waterpump was fitted before purchase. I thought timing may be out, but when it runs its smooth , and not rough running. The EML light isnt on after 3000 revs ... it always just appears before its about to stall. Yeah no diagnostics error codes recorded . Been checked with Fiat MultiECUScan

Maybe I will try replacing the crank sensor . thanks

 

[tnpali01]

When you switch on but before cranking on starter motor does the yellow engine light come on?
Does the code / key light come on and go off?

Yes Lights all come on and then go off . When it starts sometimes it will be fine, othertimes just wants to stall unless you give it a bit more revs

 

[tnpali01]

I have had 3 multipla diesel multiplas and starting had never been an issue.
On 2 I had the crank sensor fail but it was always a warm issue never cold.

On 2010 one, I have to wait longer for glow plugs to do there thing or it fails to start. I suspect they need some attention.

Never had in 170 k / 130 k miles on 2003 and 2004 ones but they both needed sensors after about 90 k miles

Maybe a multijet issue ? Not much experience in this group on the later engine, dig around in rest of the forum.

Let us know how you get on.

This car has only done 60k miles. No white residue or signs of water in oil or head gasket issues . I have just ordered a new crankshaft sensor . Hopefully it will arrive in next few days. Will update when I fit.

 

[tnpali01]

That glow warning could be a clue..

Do they actually get power reliably?

Is there an easy way to test this ?

 

[varesecrazy]

Is there an easy way to test this ?

A volt meter..

Reading your other replies.. you may have problems with fuel rail pressure

 

[jackwhoo]

Check anti shudder valve is operating correctly.
When ignition key turned off anti shudder valve cuts off all air to engine so engine stops quickly rather than shuddering to a halt.
Possibly fiat call it an inlet air valve or shutter valve.

 

[tnpali01]

New Crankshaft sensor arrive today. Might have to wait until weekend to fit. will update how I get on

 

[jackwhoo]

New Crankshaft sensor arrive today. Might have to wait until weekend to fit. will update how I get on

Be careful and patient removing the existing one you don't want it snapped off in engine block.

Prior to fitting the new one make sure the o ring from the old one is out of the hole.

 

[tnpali01]

Just doing a bit of research before I attempt to replace the crankshaft sensor tomorrow and now worried I may have wrong part. Looking at shop4parts website there appear to be two types one with a cable and one without , both listed for the multipla 1.9. I have been sent the one without the cable . Anyone any idea which is correct? or is the only way to confirm to have a look at whats fitted ? My multipla is 2007MY 57plate .

 

[tnpali01]

https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=store&op=Product&ProdID=2837 the one with cable and https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=store&op=Product&ProdID=4474 the one I have without a cable

 

[jackwhoo]

https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=store&op=Product&ProdID=2837 the one with cable and https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=store&op=Product&ProdID=4474 the one I have without a cable

Yes the way to confirm what is fitted to your vehicle is to have a look

Fingers crossed you have the correct replacement part.

I have a wierd feeling the early type is cable attached and later type is without cable.

The replacement part you have is easier to change as the connector is a lot easier to get to than the cable attached type.

Good luck

 

[tnpali01]

Best laid plans ......Went to change the sensor this morning and hoped in vain it was gonna be easy. The weather was good and its warmed up but my Multi refused to start so I couldnt get it onto my ramps . So now im kinda stuck until it decides it wants to behave... , checked battery , connections, fuel level is fine, nothings really changed since i started it few days ago... starts, fires and then dies . checked everything in case anything was loose , tried a few times and gave up frustrated. Need to come back to it with a fresh mind tomorrow Maybe if I can at least jack it up and put axle stands underneath and i'll fix it where it is.

 

[jackwhoo]

Best laid plans ......Went to change the sensor this morning and hoped in vain it was gonna be easy. The weather was good and its warmed up but my Multi refused to start so I couldnt get it onto my ramps . So now im kinda stuck until it decides it wants to behave... , checked battery , connections, fuel level is fine, nothings really changed since i started it few days ago... starts, fires and then dies . checked everything in case anything was loose , tried a few times and gave up frustrated. Need to come back to it with a fresh mind tomorrow Maybe if I can at least jack it up and put axle stands underneath and i'll fix it where it is.

Does the in tank electric lift pump run for 2 seconds on key on?

You may hear fuel swishing through filter rather than the pump itself.

 

[tnpali01]

I cant hear anything at the filter , i just turned the key, its tries to start and does fire but dies .

 

[tnpali01]

I was wondering if it was a relay... but no idea which relays do what. My handbook only refers to fuses , and not the relays . There are 5 , one square (black) two half size (black) and two half size (Red) . Maybe I need to check these ?