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I did educate myself. I have the letters to show for it.
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I did educate myself. I have the letters to show for it.
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Really? Everyday's a school day.
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im at uni no grants.... no uni card either as you need to pay for a nus card....
net profit from uni is a sliding scale. if you get a job relating to your degree you will easily pay back the tax. if you get a job as a litter picker your not going to. but then again if you cant get a job afterwards you were probably on the degree as a lay about not there for it.
net profit from uni is a sliding scale. if you get a job relating to your degree you will easily pay back the tax. if you get a job as a litter picker your not going to. but then again if you cant get a job afterwards you were probably on the degree as a lay about not there for it.
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And grants
The only grants available were for cases of hardship.
The thing is that all this in reality proves nothing!
I know of people who 'know' their job, got the qualifications/letters etc but when they are actually carrying out the work they are f*cking useless!
I also know of many who have little or no qualifications yet have a huge amount of experience (more than often self taught) and can carry out the work with ease.
Whats the point of having bits of paper if you cant do the job physically?
I know of people who 'know' their job, got the qualifications/letters etc but when they are actually carrying out the work they are f*cking useless!
I also know of many who have little or no qualifications yet have a huge amount of experience (more than often self taught) and can carry out the work with ease.
Whats the point of having bits of paper if you cant do the job physically?
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i think the idea is if you have base knoledge on a subject area it 'should' be easier to learn the indepth part of a job as you work... (some people seem to fail at this)
rather than having no knolege and working through. a guy who can get a result with nothing but self taught knolege if given base info to begin with would have it done quicker (ie, rather than knowing everything in 2 years you will in 1)
rather than having no knolege and working through. a guy who can get a result with nothing but self taught knolege if given base info to begin with would have it done quicker (ie, rather than knowing everything in 2 years you will in 1)
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...dent-has-10-a-grades-and-a-b-115875-19643874/
or even...
http://www.planetcricket.net/forums...-brightest-student-24-level-passes-50555.html
And I thought I was lucky because I did the first year of a brand new course - computer studies. I had to cram the text book to stand a chance in the exam but learning basic, fortran & cobol seemed to come really easily, as did binary and hexadecimal.
Son of a work colleague was an exceptionally gifted student to the point where he was helping design metal body bits (hip joints etc) whilst still at uni & was working as a 'consultant' whilst studying.
After leaving uni, he was on the shelf for about 8 years beforea local racing team picked him up - he was applying for anything & everything - turned down for most jobs because he was too qualified, turned down for others because he had not enough experience (and probably more qualified than some of the hierarchy!). He was desperate to work.
Whilst there are some students who are only at uni as a way of avoiding work, there are many who are there in order to better themselves & their chances - in some respects, the workers would be better off if fees went up because they will be able to come out & find better paid employment - and the thing is, all parents want something better for their children & will do what they can to help this. My youngest was lucky to get an apprenticeship at a local stealer (sadly, not Fiat), he is now at the point where he is looking to buy his tools - and Snap-on, Bluepoint, Mac etc aren't cheap but I've just set him on his way with over a grand's worth of decent equipment, when i could really do with the cash myself.
(I hope he remembers my struggle when he's choosing my nursing home!)
My eldest is looking to agricultural college next year - again, something we may have to help him with but isn't that what parents do?
My savings are almost gone & I'm due to sign on early next year but we have everyhting we need.
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your a good man, and your right all parents should help with what they can. usually this means that if they cant help you do get a grant.
my parents were left with a massive debt from a death in the family (inherited debt sucks) they earn above grant amount but spend alot on paying debts so there pretty strapped. that and my sister is asking for money all the time lol.
i think were summing up the vast amount of different situations people come from its impossible for everyone to agree, for some people im sure 3k a year debt is too much.
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Would that be the one in Moulton, Northants? Very good facilities there.
Sadly, in this world, employers just love to see work qualifications, school qualifications seem to be not worth the paper they are printed on.
Even more sadly, over the years I have worked for many managers who broke through the glass ceiling - having all the right bits of paper but completely lacking knowledge of the job.
How can staff respect these people? How on earth can you have respect for a bloke who read a few books, churned it all back out in a few exams and got the job through kissing the blarney stone?
And that is one of the reasons that this country is up to its neck in the cr@p.
Many of our foreign competitors (especially in China and Japan) like their managers to work their way up - proving their worth to the company.
On paper, I could sell snow to the eskimos but the reality is pretty remote.
Perhaps employers should set up an employee loan scheme whereby, if you wanted to change jobs, you could go work for a company for, say, 4 weeks to see how you are suited. If there is nobody out there wanting to try your job, your boss could pull in a few unemployed to give them work experience.
Yeah, eldest got wife's old car as an early b'day/Xmas present because he has to start on the farm at stupid o'clock (she bought it to push her on until the panda was delivered) and the buses run about once a century out to the villages. So the tools I've just bought for youngest are his Xmas pressie.
It's wiped our savings out but we hope it's a long term investment (and if he decides to come out of mechanic-ing, a good set of tools & box should hold value.
Is it? I knew there was one not too far from here that was supposed to be half decent, I also knew it began with an 'N' - so Nottingham, Northants
as you get older the memory fades & retaining info isn't as easy as it once was.We used to have a supposedly good facility here but the land was sold to developers.
So, eldest wants to farm, youngest wants to mechanic. Eldist is hoping yopungest will fix his tractors on the cheap
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if you want to send him to the other end of the contry penrith has a top class one
I'd love to but he's a bit of a mummy's boy & would want to come home every weekend for his backside wiping, laundry doing and to empty our pantry.if you want to send him to the other end of the contry penrith has a top class one
Yes. I would. Because a mass of idiots pretending to be students while acting like animals would do my cause, as a student, no good whatsoever. If I was to argue the case for lesser fees - and if I was a student I likely would - I'd be inclined to:
- Show my face, not hide like a coward
- Sit in somewhere inconvenient until the right people came to listen to my argument, not smash the place up
- Eventually, inevitably get arrested and have it mean something by believing in my convictions
- Not whine like a spoilt child when the police tried to do their job. You don't start a fight and then complain when you get hit.
And no one is stopping her. They're just saying it's going to be a bit more expensive, as is everything else in every other aspect of life at the moment. If she has drive, if she really really wants to do it, then she can. It'll just cost her a bit more. That's a very important lesson to learn right there.
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Was reading the paper today, David Gilmour from Pink Floyd son was one of the rioters, clearly he isn't 'protesting' about the fees as his dad is worth something like £70 million.
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the 1st problem is students will protest about anything they can stick their nose into, and the 2nd is all the trouble makers that tag along to cause trouble. well that's how it was when i was at uni.
the police should have tear-gassed the lot of them, then booked them all for public order offences so they all have a criminal record. that'll teach them haha..... obvisiously that'd never happen, it's too much paper work and they'd be at risk of a paper cut.
the police should have tear-gassed the lot of them, then booked them all for public order offences so they all have a criminal record. that'll teach them haha..... obvisiously that'd never happen, it's too much paper work and they'd be at risk of a paper cut.
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and that pansy (david's son obviously) wants flogging in public for the way he treated the cenotaph.
It seems no-one has risen to the bait after my earlier post, shame really. I have to fall into the "Old Git" camp along with p.o.c. in that I believe a high standard of education, to degree standard if necessary, is useful to society as a whole. But, after His Tonyness decided that almost everyone in the country should go to University and gain a degree, I have to ask if there are enough jobs for all those New Labour thought should go through tertiary education to fill.
As our traditional industries such as manufacturing started to disappear, so more and more "non-jobs" appeared in the Guardian and Times Educational Supplement, complete with job descriptions that included phrases such as: Team Player, Educated to degree standard, must have good networking skills, multi-disciplinary and so on. Most people had no idea as to what the jobs were, but nonetheless, thousands with degrees in Humanities, Social Studies, Multi Media Studies and the like dutifully e-mailed their CVs., as indeed they were taught to do as part of their course.
Give us Graduates in Medicine, Civil Engineering, Electronic Engineering, in fact anything that will push the country forward, and not just the Graduate. As John F. Kennedy once said: "Ask not what your country can do for you; but ask what you can do for your country."
After meeting 4 young Somali males in the course of my work a couple of months ago, two of whome had degrees in Multi-Media Studies (and were at the time unemployed) and two of whome were currently studying for the same degree, I have to ask why, bearing in mind that Somalia is one of the world's poorest country having been in a state of civil war for most of the last 20 years, and that it has very high infant mortality, poor overall health care and a very unhealthy agriculture infrastructure, why the hell didn't they take a degree in Veterinary studies, Civil Engineering for water, sewage, road and bridge building, medicine, dentistry, nursing and on, and on?
As our traditional industries such as manufacturing started to disappear, so more and more "non-jobs" appeared in the Guardian and Times Educational Supplement, complete with job descriptions that included phrases such as: Team Player, Educated to degree standard, must have good networking skills, multi-disciplinary and so on. Most people had no idea as to what the jobs were, but nonetheless, thousands with degrees in Humanities, Social Studies, Multi Media Studies and the like dutifully e-mailed their CVs., as indeed they were taught to do as part of their course.
Give us Graduates in Medicine, Civil Engineering, Electronic Engineering, in fact anything that will push the country forward, and not just the Graduate. As John F. Kennedy once said: "Ask not what your country can do for you; but ask what you can do for your country."
After meeting 4 young Somali males in the course of my work a couple of months ago, two of whome had degrees in Multi-Media Studies (and were at the time unemployed) and two of whome were currently studying for the same degree, I have to ask why, bearing in mind that Somalia is one of the world's poorest country having been in a state of civil war for most of the last 20 years, and that it has very high infant mortality, poor overall health care and a very unhealthy agriculture infrastructure, why the hell didn't they take a degree in Veterinary studies, Civil Engineering for water, sewage, road and bridge building, medicine, dentistry, nursing and on, and on?
