Sorry to sound like an old git, but you are absolutely right. Give me 100 apprentices over 100 media studies students any day of the week.
Mounted police charging London students.
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I hope your sis doesn't mind you calling her "not the brightest child"!
She will need to bright (and very determined) to be a vet. It a a 7 year course I believe, with similar entry requirements to med school.
Nail, head, hit.
The bright kids sail through school (especially nowadays) then go to uni where the work is hardly taxing. They come out with their degrees etc & start looking for work that reflects the many qualifications they have gained - but they don't really want to work, they want work to be just like school - a few hours reading books, a few hours writing about what you've read & then home time. The really bright ones know the difference between education and the real world, the rest think the world owes them a favour since they've done all this hard studying & they deserve the breaks (I've seen this way too much in friends' kids) - then sometimes, they realise that life isn't quite so peachy.
Whereas in the real world, people are expected to perform physical tasks for their crust. You only have to look around, just what is it that we, in this country, produce these days?
For my part, I have at least 8 managers who, as far as I can tell, do SFA.
Never had supervision or appraisals (and that's just something invented by the paper shufflers to keep them in work), my manager thinks he's great but organises a 25 mile route into a 36 mile route
and thinks the routes are fairly shared out when we all have the same number of passengers - despite one route being 20 miles & another only 5 - and the 20 mile route involves quite a few passengers who take forever.But what do I know? I've only been doing the job 25 years, I left school with 8 O levels and 8 A levels whereas my manager left uni with a degree in something simple & whos idea of dealing with staff issues is to have a slanging match with said staff out in front of all the other staff. the original idiot savant.
100% behind apprenticeships - learn to do the job properly by starting at the bottom of the pile and working your way up.
A manager should never ask staff to do a job they wouldn't be prepared to do themselves and a manager should always lead by example.
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I should stick up for Media having done it for 2 years at college...but now I can see its a waste of time
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almost completely agree with pooroldcodger. 50% of students is ridiculous unless doing worthwhile courses.
school exams, if you are reffering to A levels, aren't easy, in the proper subjects that is. The problem comes with easier subjects, the same problem with universitys. but everyone says that A levels are easier so someone doing maths and sciences in particular will be rightly pissed off.
The violence last night was disgusting, it wasn't students, it was anarchists and other scum who are using the protest as a chance to smash up london. They were smaller groups as the real protestors had gone home, dissapointed in their government but they had left.
school exams, if you are reffering to A levels, aren't easy, in the proper subjects that is. The problem comes with easier subjects, the same problem with universitys. but everyone says that A levels are easier so someone doing maths and sciences in particular will be rightly pissed off.
The violence last night was disgusting, it wasn't students, it was anarchists and other scum who are using the protest as a chance to smash up london. They were smaller groups as the real protestors had gone home, dissapointed in their government but they had left.
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i agree with making it more elitist to a certain extent as it will ween out the people there only for the life style.
but serious question if the government is sooo skint. how are they managing to 'loan' an extra 6k a year per student? surley this is giving more money away in a tough time. (481,854 students this year average 3 year course. £8.6 billion.... from where? this is extrak 6k a person ontop of the 3k already loaned)
also you pay it back at smaller amouts so its going to be longer before the government gets it back. its also 0% so it wont increase with inflation so there technically getting less back.
also if you leave the country for 5 years its written off..... good idea
and 37% (according to my uni head) of university loans arnt payed back at all.... surley making the figure higher and more drawn out to repay is just going to extrapolate the problem?.
i may agree to a certain extent with some of the ideas but i still cant work out where all this extra money is coming from....
[side note] also there cutting 950million funding to universities themselfs as we "dont have the funds" and cutting police by 20% (curently 4billion a year)... if there having to do all of this. how the **** did we give the irish 7billion (understand trading needs although not being in the eu we didnt actually need to give any money) and 15million on attempting to get the world cup... surley surley there are better places within the uk to put that cash?
but serious question if the government is sooo skint. how are they managing to 'loan' an extra 6k a year per student? surley this is giving more money away in a tough time. (481,854 students this year average 3 year course. £8.6 billion.... from where? this is extrak 6k a person ontop of the 3k already loaned)
also you pay it back at smaller amouts so its going to be longer before the government gets it back. its also 0% so it wont increase with inflation so there technically getting less back.
also if you leave the country for 5 years its written off..... good idea
and 37% (according to my uni head) of university loans arnt payed back at all.... surley making the figure higher and more drawn out to repay is just going to extrapolate the problem?.
i may agree to a certain extent with some of the ideas but i still cant work out where all this extra money is coming from....
[side note] also there cutting 950million funding to universities themselfs as we "dont have the funds" and cutting police by 20% (curently 4billion a year)... if there having to do all of this. how the **** did we give the irish 7billion (understand trading needs although not being in the eu we didnt actually need to give any money) and 15million on attempting to get the world cup... surley surley there are better places within the uk to put that cash?
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Sorry Kier - no offence to you, and sorry that you have spent 2 years on media.
A good degree surely enables anybody who is interested in media to specialise once they have a good solid degree?
A good degree surely enables anybody who is interested in media to specialise once they have a good solid degree?
No I would never say that A levels are easy - especially in the "proper" subjects as you put it. But what does nobdy any good is where some of the "new" subjects in sport or photography or health and beauty can miraculously be worth 3 or 4 conventional passes. That is nonsense.Also the increase in course work which can be reveised and revised to the n'th degree is also conning the student and the potential employer, as well as piling on endless hours of extra work for the student.
student loans arnt 0% it is really small though
what if theres no such thing as an apprenticeship for what i want to do
what if theres no such thing as an apprenticeship for what i want to do
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even so i cant see it improving the situation one bit? surley money is at a loss however you look at it.
End of the day the students behaviour has been ....well childish to be honest. Running around the streets being a pest to property owners and the police has already been sewn up by the football crowd so the students are onto a hiding to nowhere in this department.
Throwing stuff at the royal car just proves the pathetic nature of many of these students...however a in the face hit on Camilla would of earned that student a pint (and a free diploma) on me
There will always be different classes and the richer will always get the benefit compared to the less well off (if we all had the same wouldn't that be called communism?) however IMO many of the managers or 'more well to do people' I have come across or met are unbelievably thick!
Throwing stuff at the royal car just proves the pathetic nature of many of these students...however a in the face hit on Camilla would of earned that student a pint (and a free diploma) on me
There will always be different classes and the richer will always get the benefit compared to the less well off (if we all had the same wouldn't that be called communism?) however IMO many of the managers or 'more well to do people' I have come across or met are unbelievably thick!
i don't know much about all of this but i was out in town on the drink with a couple of mates as we had the day off! they had blocked the whole street wouldn't let anyone past, ended up getting arrested for assault! got de-arrested though, nobody stops me from going somewhere i have every right to be in the name of some gay protest, i work full time and pay my taxes as i'm sure many other members on here do.
do you know what annoys me about students.....student cardvouchers! why do they get discounts on food/events yet I pay top tax/NI rates and get f*ck all back in return....jeez they even get discounts on a pizza
do you know what annoys me about students.....student cardvouchers! why do they get discounts on food/events yet I pay top tax/NI rates and get f*ck all back in return....jeez they even get discounts on a pizza
i know mate! easy way to get around that, do what i do, sign up for a course get your student card for the year and don't turn up, i've done it for years, takes about 20 mins!
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And who funds this course?
i dont care if im honest mate, the government funds it yes? well i fund the government with my taxes from my wages! how do the students contribute towards the government? they don't.
so you want me to worry about what the course is gunna cost the government when students who pay nothing to the government get discount drin, pizza, cinema, club entry, i think not.
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i havent been to and dont condone the what is riots tbh. there stupid get a point across but in the wrong way.
the easiest way imo to get money back in to the uk would be to make students pay tax. would get money back into the uk rather than loaning more out.
the easiest way imo to get money back in to the uk would be to make students pay tax. would get money back into the uk rather than loaning more out.
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im glad theyre kicking off, i know it's inconvenienced me a bit but im glad the country is finally doing something abou the government stiffing us!
He's my hero tooWords fail me
Well done for screwing the system, you must be so proud
