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johnson550 said:
Why is there always people wanting something for nothing, they should work for it the same as i had to.
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I agree, if I couldn't afford it or afford to do it then tough I couldn't have/do it. To me it makes you appreciate what you have & life's harsh lessons. If ever I think i'm hard done by then I just remind myself I'm lucky to have what little I have compared to most people in the world. As for a education of any kind people should be lucky they had one (school) as most kids in the world don't get that chance!
 
Ahh, those far off days of going to one or two lectures per week then pulling a few shifts at the local tesco/care home/whatever in order to get money for lodgings, food & beer.
of course, if that lot had to work to pay for their fees, i very much doubt they would have enough spare cash to afford to go to demos.

With regards to the woman talking at the start - I have been on courses where the tutor has used reflection to make sure we heard and understood what had just been said. I often wondered if i had just been on another planet as some people recanted a completely different tale.
And jack is correct - who the hell takes a pregnant GF to a demo in the freezing cold?
And none of us can see what is happening at the front of the demo - there are loonies out there who specialise in travelling to demos with the specific intention of causing a fight.

At a recent EDL demo here, two supposedly respected members of the Asian community reported having bottles thrown at them from coach windows & the bottles landed at their feet. This had the instant effect of creating tension - yet nobody stopped to think how the coach got to this particular street - when the police were blocking off & redirecting traffic. And nobody stopped to think about coach windows - they don't open - aside from the roof vents, and they don't open wide enough normally to allow a bottle through. Hmmm
 
sludgeguts said:
And none of us can see what is happening at the front of the demo - there are loonies out there who specialise in travelling to demos with the specific intention of causing a fight.

At a recent EDL demo here, two supposedly respected members of the Asian community reported having bottles thrown at them from coach windows & the bottles landed at their feet. This had the instant effect of creating tension - yet nobody stopped to think how the coach got to this particular street - when the police were blocking off & redirecting traffic. And nobody stopped to think about coach windows - they don't open - aside from the roof vents, and they don't open wide enough normally to allow a bottle through. Hmmm
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"there are loonies out there who specialise in travelling to demos with the specific intention of causing a fight"
Both sides have people like this. Its common to most organisations unfortunately.
 
T14086 said:
I agree, if I couldn't afford it or afford to do it then tough I couldn't have/do it. To me it makes you appreciate what you have & life's harsh lessons. If ever I think i'm hard done by then I just remind myself I'm lucky to have what little I have compared to most people in the world. As for a education of any kind people should be lucky they had one (school) as most kids in the world don't get that chance!
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I thought we were supposed to live in a equal society where everyone have the same opportunities as everyone else.
How many people do you know able to come out of college with 10k to spare?

I personally chose not to go uni because of all the costs, instead I finished college and got a job driving. Pay is no better than a standard job straight out of school but it's nice to know I had the chance to go to uni.
Although the way it's going many kids won't even have the chance to go if they really wanted it, fair? I don't think so

The cost of it stopped me from going and yet putting the cost up even more? The tories are making a divide between rich and poor again. Rich run the country and do as they please while the rest of us live in slums? OKay so alot of people in this country deserve to see what it's like to live in a slum and people on benefits scrounging can't have all the 50 inch flatscreen tv's and games consoles that they all seem to have! :confused:
Most people that don't have loads of money and work everyday for a crappy wage don't deserve it. That's the way it'll be heading again.

Then again Labour were in the middle of doing a pretty good job of fecking the country up so I suppose we can't win either way
 
I really dont agree with charging so much for tuition fees. Its not fair. I didnt even pay as much as you have to today and cant really see it has been VFM.

I went to uni and could have been in say £25k debt, and with the interest would be paying much much more than that back. Its a Joke, i would be absolutely screwing if i had done that. Im 25, qualified and get paid a ****ty £22k a year. :mad:
Its def not worth paying £27k for before any other bills.
All this is going to achieve is more people who could really achieve well in life working at Mc Donalds or on the doll.

I have to agree that students are relying on massive student loans to pay for their education, accommodation and a champaign lifestyle.
I worked my ass of with numerous jobs in my spare time at uni. By my final year i was taking home £800+ p/m if you dont include my sideline activities. I do owe a lot to my parents who helped me out with my car and other things but i came out debt free.

Oh and as for protesting, im all for it. There will always be bad apples who go just to cause trouble but this gives it impact and adds value to the real protesters cause. The govenment sure as hell dont want that happening all the time. Its about bloody time the people started having more of a say what happens in politics. All they do atm is what they think people want so as to win elections.
They no longer have our best interests at heart but we do.
 
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I'm almost 34 and a full time uni student. I worked bloody hard and made a lot of sacrifices to be able to go to university. My course is full of young uns, and sure enough a lot of them are there just for the social life. However, for every one of those, there are two more who work hard with an attitude and maturity way beyond their years.

Raising fees will of course cut the number of wasters, but mainly from poorer backgrounds. It will also cut the number of students with serious potential, which is obviously bad news for the country.

It will all lead to further elitism, which of course, is the Tory way.

As for the protests, the idiots causing the damage have detracted from the message and the impact of that message of the genuine protesters. They are the ones to blame for any police aggression, and any loss of public support or sympathy for their cause.
 
Dominion said:
It will all lead to further elitism, which of course, is the Tory way.
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I have to say, I'm all for a bit of elitism....It's the loss of it that has softened our education system....

Too many years of levelling the playing field to bring the exam standards up....

Too many Polytechnics teaching practical trades turned into 'Universities' teaching made-up subjects....

And too many people being led to believe they can do anything they want, earn huge salaries, and have the lifestyle of the rich and famous....
 
ThisBitterPill said:
I have to say, I'm all for a bit of elitism....It's the loss of it that has softened our education system....

Too many years of levelling the playing field to bring the exam standards up....

Too many Polytechnics teaching practical trades turned into 'Universities' teaching made-up subjects....

And too many people being led to believe they can do anything they want, earn huge salaries, and have the lifestyle of the rich and famous....
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The point is, even poor folk have intelligence and potential. It could be argued that some poorer people are more focused and driven than those fortunate enough to be from wealthy backgrounds.

Kids can do really well in school - achieve the top grades etc etc, but if they are priced out of being able to take that academic success to the next stage i.e. college/university, then it's all for nothing. Their place in the professional world will probably be taken by some dribbling mong with a rich mater and pater who can afford to support their idiot offspring's every whim, including going to uni for the social scene (like 3 such knob heads on my course).

I completely agree with the comment about universities teaching made up subjects though. It really is ridiculous. A couple of years ago I saw a golf course green keeping degree advertised, FFS. Obviously, universities are businesses and are there to make money, so I suppose this was always going to happen, although it definitely shouldn't.
 
Dominion said:
Raising fees will of course cut the number of wasters, but mainly from poorer backgrounds. It will also cut the number of students with serious potential, which is obviously bad news for the country.
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In my local area, the best high school was a private school and ridiculously expensive. However, if you were a great student, you could apply for a scholarship there - it didn't matter how poor you were.

Universities could do the same thing.
 
Dominion said:
The point is, even poor folk have intelligence and potential. It could be argued that some poorer people are more focused and driven than those fortunate enough to be from wealthy backgrounds.
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Sorry what I meant by elitism was academically elite, not class or wealth....

I would love to see a University system that provided free education for the academically gifted but that would involve a realistic school exam standard where a lot of students would be getting C's and D's rather than A* grades....

Oh wait, that's what we used to have before the percentage getting A* grades or going to University became more important than the standards that were being achieved!

:eek:
 
ben said:
In my local area, the best high school was a private school and ridiculously expensive. However, if you were a great student, you could apply for a scholarship there - it didn't matter how poor you were.

Universities could do the same thing.
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but who is to say an average school student wont thrive in the university environment?
 
ben said:
Ok - in that case I want a free Masters Degree too.

Work hard in high school, get into a good degree program.
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im not saying the mediocre students
remember not all schools are equal and as such its not always a direct comparison
obviously the private schools tend to get good grades but you also have the high likelihood that they have a strong parental push behind them as well.
but even with state schools you can have poor quality teachers,lack of books/equipment etc and if you have a poor family(not simply monitory) background then it will have an effect on results
 
At the same time though - why should the people who don't go to university have to pay for the ones who do?

Besides - the government have said they will provide loans for the families who cannot afford it. So people who want to go still can, they'll just have to pay it back when they've finished.

Seems fair enough to me.....
 
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