General Leaking

[AnotherBodger]

It was noted that the gear box was leaking oil, so much oil we had to top it up every two weeks. Finally the clutch has given up so it needs to be fixed. Quoted £1700 which I thought was too high, so it's now on the drive being taken apart

Modifications

Leaks lots of oil

 

[AnotherBodger]

What it the name of the tool that is needed to get the clutch off. It's got 6 side but it's not a standard spline bit but close.

It won't me attach a photo but I'm working on it​

 

[koalar]

Common fault

Looks like the Input bearing has gone , I bet if you wiggle the end off the shaft there's some movemet which has takien out the input shaft seal

 

[koalar]

Looks like a ribe bolt

I have never seen them on the clutches I have changed

Are you sure it's not post 2012

 

[Mike1alike]

It is ribe bolt. You can use a torx head on it, it works. Just make sure to use the correct size.

 

[Mike1alike]

What it the name of the tool that is needed to get the clutch off. It's got 6 side but it's not a standard spline bit but close.

That is male ribe bit that goes there.

 

[koalar]

If it's the same as the 169 1.1/1.2 gearbox

The original bearing is specialised, read expensive

6204AG15J30 I found some new old stock

It a glass reinforced plastic cage, there is a reinforcing ring on one side

@rmjbn1 successfully used a standard metal cage bearing SKF Explorer 6204 C3

 

[rmjbn1]

@rmjbn1 successfully used a standard metal cage bearing SKF Explorer 6204 C3

Five years, 25k miles later and it's still quiet so apparently holding itself together

Although I'm intrigued that later Puntos with the same C514 gearbox got upgraded roller bearings?
A recognised weak point?

e learn way in, GEARBOX GUIDE | FIAT Punto Evo

cannot seem to find a way into elearn today..... need info about gearbox input shaft bearing replacement as its quite noisy..... help please.... \FOR FUTURE REFERENCE>>>>>> FIND GUIDE IN GUIDES SECTION, PAGE 16 @ top left hand corner.....see selector shaft oil seal guide, page 10, top left...

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Presumably these would be fine to use in a Panda?

I've got into the habit of checking gearbox oil level a couple of times a year

And I would also replace the driveshaft seals whilst the 'box is off the car. Much easier than in situ :/

 

[AnotherBodger]

What it the name of the tool that is needed to get the clutch off. It's got 6 side but it's not a standard spline bit but close.

It won't me attach a photo but I'm working on it​

Clutch now removed. I found a Torx that had enough grip, even if it was not perfect. A lot of oil behind fly wheel. Suspect i might have second oil leak from engine.

 

[AnotherBodger]

That is male ribe bit that goes there.

Thankyou. I got lucky and managed to get it off using a Torx bit. But now I know I will get the correct tools. thanks for quick reply

 

[AnotherBodger]

Common fault

Looks like the Input bearing has gone , I bet if you wiggle the end off the shaft there's some movemet which has takien out the input shaft seal

yes there's a lot of movement. nearly 1mm. It's worn the hole so it's not circular any more.

 

[AnotherBodger]

Five years, 25k miles later and it's still quiet so apparently holding itself together

Although I'm intrigued that later Puntos with the same C514 gearbox got upgraded roller bearings?
A recognised weak point?

e learn way in, GEARBOX GUIDE | FIAT Punto Evo

cannot seem to find a way into elearn today..... need info about gearbox input shaft bearing replacement as its quite noisy..... help please.... \FOR FUTURE REFERENCE>>>>>> FIND GUIDE IN GUIDES SECTION, PAGE 16 @ top left hand corner.....see selector shaft oil seal guide, page 10, top left...

www.fiatforum.com

Presumably these would be fine to use in a Panda?

I've got into the habit of checking gearbox oil level a couple of times a year

And I would also replace the driveshaft seals whilst the 'box is off the car. Much easier than in situ :/

The original plan was clutch and the three shaft seals plus drive shaft bearing. But it now depends on what damage I find inside.

 

[rmjbn1]

Fingers crossed. If the input shaft bearings break up they can do some damage

A lot of oil behind fly wheel. Suspect i might have second oil leak from engine

Yes, my clutch was being lubricated from both sides, input shaft seal and also crankshaft main rear seal had failed on mine around 100k miles

 

[koalar]

As long as all the gears work without dropping out or whine

They are normally fixable just with seals and bearing

A little ratting, especially in neutral is okay and is normally the first sign of an input bearing fault

Here the original thread, from person that first posted it

Input shaft bearing renewal | FIAT Punto (Mk2/2b)

Hello Half-way into renewing the clutch on my punto. Have transmission off, slight bit of play on the input shaft, able to rattle it side-to-side, when gearbox in neutral and rotating shaft by hand moves freely but it sounds a bit gritty. When driving was getting a rumbling noise, checked oil...

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The bearing is the wrong type, it shouldn't be sealed, it has it's own oil feed

Also the bearing shouldn't be jammed all the way down to the gear, there's a little gap, measure it first, tap it down to some feelers guages or similar

There was a common problem with oil leaking through the flywheel bolt, the fix is to remove the bolt and apply some sealant, can't post the service bulletin as fiat site is down at present, I assume Fiat will have fixed this on latter cars

 

[Mike1alike]

Thankyou. I got lucky and managed to get it off using a Torx bit. But now I know I will get the correct tools. thanks for quick reply

I would replace those screws with ones with more normal head. At least torx head.

 

[koalar]

Fiat identify special bolts by the fastener type

Ribe on fiat are normally in high stress areas

Door strap, cylinder head

It's so the wrong bolt can not be accidentally fitted at manufacturing,.I suspect

The clutch bolts even though they aren't tightened very tight are normally grade 12.9

They are supposed to be replaced, I suspect it because they come loaded with thread lock

I clean and reuse with one drop of thread lock added, as do most grages, as they aren't cheap

 

[AnotherBodger]

Gearbox is now in bits. It took 3 hours to gently get it apart making sure I did not damage anything. I expected to find some metal in it, but it looks like the bearing cage has totally gone and is now just metal fillings! At first I was worried when two ball bearings fell out of the case, not knowing where they came from. But turns out that is what is left of the bearing. I guess there must be more ball bearings but ran out of time and not found them yet. On Tuesday I plan to check all the parts for damage.

 

[AnotherBodger]

Fingers crossed. If the input shaft bearings break up they can do some damage

Yes, my clutch was being lubricated from both sides, input shaft seal and also crankshaft main rear seal had failed on mine around 100k miles

I have not found all of it yet, It's in little bits spread around in the box, so yes the bearing is broken.

 

[koalar]

Your looking for 7 ball bearings, there hardened so will do damage, so it's important to find them all

They can make there way into the diff housing

There is a magnet inside the box to.catch metal can't remember where about

The cage is plastic so isn't important

 

[rmjbn1]

There is a magnet inside the box to.catch metal can't remember where about