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Panda (Classic) John Dragon Man's 4x4 Sisley

Introduction

Hello!

Well, I have been waiting a long time to do this!

Introducing (Drum roll please!).....

Edit: about half way through the time it took me to get the car on the road it found the name Talon. So everyone Meet:
Talon. My Fiat Panda 4x4 Sisley:

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Great Looking car.. As i am sure you all agree!

It has its Good points:

No Horrid noises in any gear and the 4x4 system works and sounds brilliant! Its a Sisley! And it came with some nice extras such as the light grill covers.

and also nice low mileage.
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And it has its bad points... Lots of bad points:

Mid body rust, This is the worst on the drivers side (in the UK) front wing:
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The Doors are Rusty.. Ok, i did expect this as it seems to be a common thing on most Fiats over 10-15 years old:
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And the other Door, Not as bad.. I may be able to save this side!
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"Phantom Electronics" the electronics do what they want to do, when they want to do it. No Switches necessary!

Also the Fuse box now lives here :( That means that a flap has been cut in the pocket :(
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The Exhaust is very broken, in multiple parts. even the down pipe!
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Lastly and by far the worst, Under body rust. Now its not as bad as it could be. The rear sills on both sides have a small 1 - 2 inch hole in them. No biggy.
I have still yet to remove all the plastic wheel arch liners and have a proper look.
Here's a picture from the front drivers side wheel arch, its only a skin so a easy repair:
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A bit of work needs doing to the brakes, pads i think. The fluid needs changing and the drivers side front brake pipe is corroded so i will replace that.

Also the engine needs a good cleaning up, a full on service replacing the water pump, cam belt, tensioner pulley, distributor cap and rotor arm, filters, oil, radiator, coolant and starter motor.

I also need a few things like a locking filler cap, the little clips that hold the air box together, a new boot gas strut and a non damaged back bumper.

Its the car I have always wanted right from when I was a young lad. So you can imagine how I was when I won it on eBay for a grand total of £547. Getting it from Wales To my home town of Derby Cost me £135.

With some love, care and late nights I reckon I can turn it into a cracking motor!

Oh and stay tuned as I will be keeping a Video Log of what I will be doing to the car on Youtube!

This is the video i took just as the car transporter left from delivering it:




See the rest of the videos Here: Fiat Panda 4x4 Sisley Restoration Video Logs

See my Youtube Channel >>>Here<<<

Also Click Here for more up to date pictures of this car!

I am so very proud to be the owner of a Fiat Panda 4x4 Sisley!

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Edit: this is how Talon looks now:



:eek::cool::cool::cool::yum:

Since then Talon has gained more lights, and now has some blue rust free Seat Marbella doors. I had also converted him to Fuel injection, however the parts i used were old and worn so now it is back on Carburettor.

This thread has its ups and downs but through the years Talon and myself have pulled through.

When you are done reading this thread, be sure to check out the little red scrap yard rescued Seat Marbella thread and also Project Fallout!

Peace all and enjoy the thread, videos and pictures!
looking good mate im glad i helped you get it on the road with them doors they still look shiney :p
 
yeah, i think it is just in there because it is an old car now :(
i did sell it on for £550 though :/

anyway.

@ Mr. purple haze

remember that broken parcel shelf you gave me?
well seeing as i now have a spare one from that late 750 i gutted, i have had a play with it...
 

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As of yesterday (24th) i would of had Talon for a year. from yesterday until Christmas day was the time it took me to get Talon road going.

happy new lease in life Talon.. i know i have not got you fully restored yet but we will make it one day!

Congratulations, John! Still one of the best threads (in the best section) in the Forum, as well...! (y)
 
Clack Clack!

or more to the point dunk dunk..

i have found out what the knocking noise is on talon. it was the bottom drivers side ball joint.

absolutely no grease or nylon in it what so ever. the dust cover had perished and because the ball joint collapsed it look like it was still in good condition. i have not done enough miles for the grease to all come out, this is some thing that has taken some time to do.

sadly i have not taken any pictures. but. i will soon. as the car stands the whole lower front suspension is all in bits with the drive shaft held up with a zip tie.
i have cleans and de-rusted the hub carrier and caliper bracket. stuck the first coat of paint on it.

when i get the new bottom ball joint i will use the same method i used with the propshaft and use a bit of metal tubing and use the vice to press the new one in place.

i still need to fit the new CV boot, though this side has not perished it would be pointless not to change it given i have the whole thing open and assessable.

so for panda camp i will be knock-less. Clack!

will get pictures and a video up tomorrow.

and i did all of this with frequent toilet brakes dew to the annoying urine infection i have. i had to do something.. sitting around just made me feel worse. so in times of ill.. pulling my car to bits just takes my mind off it that bit better. :D

peace!
 
heh i used a vice and a 32 mm socket.
pressed it in one side, then the other, then back to the other.. effectively rocking it in till it sat flush and i could get the retaining clip on. took some force but it went in.

right, another question. you all know the back brake shoes, should they move freely on the adjuster thingymabob. or should it be really stiff and hard to move the shoe? if its meant to move free... that my be why my brakes are naff. i seem to remember the old shoes moveing free in the drums..
 
heh i used a vice and a 32 mm socket.
pressed it in one side, then the other, then back to the other.. effectively rocking it in till it sat flush and i could get the retaining clip on. took some force but it went in.

right, another question. you all know the back brake shoes, should they move freely on the adjuster thingymabob. or should it be really stiff and hard to move the shoe? if its meant to move free... that my be why my brakes are naff. i seem to remember the old shoes moveing free in the drums..

Thanks for the description.

Re the shoes, that's a bit tricky to answer without seeing yours. They should be free enough to move in and out and up and down if you tap them with a mallet but they should be held pretty firmly in place; not loose in any way. Have you got them the right way up with the springs in the right places? After a long battle with the rear brakes on the 4x4 I finally got a decent pedal without too much travel after adjusting the handbrake right up so it operates fully on only three clicks. Is your issue too much travel on the pedal?
 
my issue is stupidly spongy brakes and i guess a little travel in the pedal. it has had about 4L worth of brake fluid through the whole system to try to get the "air" out but still really spongy.
i need to do battle with the springs i guess and take them all off again as one shoe trys to somehow pull its self off the slave cylinder. it is all sat right, just does not want to work somehow.

the old shoes moved freely (by firm hand) and the brakes and hand brake were epic. now with new shoes, the hand brake is non existent and so are the brakes all around.

i am really at a loss with these brakes. its getting to the point where it does not feel safe to drive. all pads have loads of life in them.

i striped down the drivers side caliper to clean it up i copper slipped all the moving parts and back of the pads.

all these faults started however when i replaced the rear slave cylinders.

think i need to take the master cylinder off and adjust the adjuster in there.
 
does sound like air is in the system still.. They can be very hard to find, i once had a solid brake line with a hole so small it didn't leak or weep fluid at all but was big enough for air to get into the system. Thats not alot of help to you i know, just a thought if you still have a spongy pedal after all that bleeding.
 
well the ball joint came through today so talon is all back together and knockless.

i have still not done anything in the way of getting ready for panda camp yet.. i had better do something. need to dig the tent out..

John can I remind you about a certain set of weller wheels I have for you. ;) Maybe pm me your plans, I'm flexible. (y)

The brake shoes are supposed to have alot of resistance on the adjusters otherwise the springs would pull them away from the drums surface giving you excessive travel, this doesn't explain why your old ones were better though. My guess is that you have a master cyl. problem.
 
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