Technical Head gasket blown, balancing options, little money

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Technical Head gasket blown, balancing options, little money

I really appreciate your perspective as well — this entire thread has really helped me made a list of possibilities and possible ways forward for identifying the faults

Is it safe to assume that my mechanic would be able to know how to send the head to be skimmed?


My diagnosis plan—
What I know:
1. Combustion fumes are in coolant system (sniff test came back yellow from roadside mechanic)

2. There was heavy engine steaming and the radiator fan looked wet with coolant

3. Occasionally, there is a gurgling sound in the dash (indicates heat matrix perhaps)

4. There has been a loss of coolant, but no leaks or puddles underneath car

5. Car wants to overheat, and ran hotter on way back from Edinburgh (according to gauge and OBD live scanner tool)
These are all signs pointing towards it being the head gasket, especially as the "sniff" test turned out positive for exhaust gasses. However that's not to say there may be other issues - for instance the metal pipe that runs along the front of the engine behind the exhaust down pipe and maybe leaks on various other pipes (heater pipes for instance) That's why I'd be keen to do a cooling system pressure check. By the way, if you do a cooling system pressure check and because we are suspecting a head gasket problem here, before you use the starter motor take the plugs out and spin the engine on the starter just in case the gasket problem is severe enough to allow any appreciable quantity of water to enter a cylinder and potentially cause that cylinder to hydraulic lock.
Plan:
1. Add the coolant dye to the coolant system, run car until operating temp with full levels, then see if UV light points out any leak areas

2. For the price of a coffee, my mechanic is checking the car over to see if it really is the HG (he has been so good to me — very decent and kind chap)

3. If need be after, I intend to do my own coolant pressure tests and cylinder leak tests.
Can't harm to do the dye test and might highlight something for you

Sounds like you've got a real gem in that mechanic! Unless something really obscure is going on here he should be able to give you a good idea as to what's going on. Blown head gaskets are not, thank goodness, something encountered everyday in the workshop but it's something you run into often enough that you get to know what to look for. Also, blowing head gaskets is something our wee FIRE engines are well known for if they overheat - I check the coolant level in ours every weekend to try to catch it early if a water leak should be in it's early stages on ours.
Basically, plan is the following if it is HG or warping:

1. Take car apart myself (have studied the procedures, and did this ages again with my dad on a car he was working on) — and thankfully everything I’m seeing is that is is a very straightforward engine to do it on

2. Ask my mechanic to clean the block and engine mating surfaces (I can see myself accidentally scratching them)

3. Asking my mechanic to connect me to fix any warping issues
Success with this part of your plan depends on your experience, ability and whether you have the necessary tools. You're going to have to separate the exhaust manifold from the head and the nuts can be pretty stubborn (you may well snap one or two studs) If they bring the studs out of the head with them, don't worry, it's a lot better than having them snap off! Timing belt will also have to be removed and the bolts under the front engine mount can be difficult to get at with only basic tools. Have you used torque wrenches before, do you have a suitable one, or access to same, when the head is refitted? You're going to need an angle tightening gauge too and new bolts (head bolts are "use once only")

As you've got to remove the timing belt anyway you might as well fit a new one on reassembly and, if funds are too tight to afford the tensioner bearing and water pump - which I would do automatically - then give them a spin and thorough check over, especially for any signs of coolant leaks under the pump before deciding to reuse them. You'll curse yourself if you have to take it to pieces again to renew a water pump just a few months later and anyway, if the engine's been hot and/or loosing coolant the water pump seal may be well past it's best.

If you feel he's trustworthy I think you need to let yourself be guided by your mechanic friend. These engines are pretty simple in the "grand order" of the universe and, if he's reasonably competent, or better, he shouldn't have too much bother finding out exactly what needs to be done.

I wish you all the luck in the world and, if you do get stuck in yourself, I hope you don't run into too many problems and, more than anything else, enjoy the experience.
 
Not including a 510mm 1/2" ratchet
Or the block of wood and jack holding the engine up

These are the tools and parts needed to change the timing belt

Which is a long way into a head gasket change


The 10mm heads on the heat shield will probably be quite rusty, if they look bad I don't even attempt a 10mm, instead I hammer on a 3/8" (9.5mm)

If you have room to lay them down in order, it helps when reassembling, if you look at the engine mount you will see I have put the bolts back in the same place I took them out



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Not including a 510mm 1/2" ratchet
Or the block of wood and jack holding the engine up

These are the tools and parts needed to change the timing belt

Which is a long way into a head gasket change


The 10mm heads on the heat shield will probably be quite rusty, if they look bad I don't even attempt a 10mm, instead I hammer on a 3/8" (9.5mm)

If you have room to lay them down in order, it helps when reassembling, if you look at the engine mount you will see I have put the bolts back in the same place I took them out



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This is lovely — I’m saving this picture and getting a marker and sandwich bags to keep screws together
 
I wouldn't worry to much about head warpage. I've done many a head gasket on vehicles with cast iron block and aluminum head, just make sure the engine is cold ie left overnight before removing the head. Then for peace of mind use a straight edge eg steel ruler as mentioned above.
However if as you say the cooling system has been run for a long time using just water you might find the head when removed could be scrap. The block to could be damaged although it's a bit more resilient with it being cast iron.

Good luck.
 
Gurgling sound happens when coolant has dropped low enough to blow the head gasket. By the time you hear it the HG has already gone.
Heater supply pipe runs off the back of water pump is notable for rusting and pin-holing. Wet radiator suggests the core has failed.
 
Not including a 510mm 1/2" ratchet
Or the block of wood and jack holding the engine up

These are the tools and parts needed to change the timing belt

Which is a long way into a head gasket change


The 10mm heads on the heat shield will probably be quite rusty, if they look bad I don't even attempt a 10mm, instead I hammer on a 3/8" (9.5mm)

If you have room to lay them down in order, it helps when reassembling, if you look at the engine mount you will see I have put the bolts back in the same place I took them out



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Also really quick, do you have a recommendation for o-ring lubricant?
 
Also really quick, do you have a recommendation for o-ring lubricant?
traditional red rubber grease or more modern silicon grease. Nothing with a mineral oil base so never anything like ordinary grease or oil, not petroleum jelly either (Vaseline) as it's petroleum based which will degrade the rubber.
 
traditional red rubber grease or more modern silicon grease. Nothing with a mineral oil base so never anything like ordinary grease or oil, not petroleum jelly either (Vaseline) as it's petroleum based which will degrade the rubber.
Also, the Haynes manual is telling me to put the HG on dry when replacing -- is that right?
 
No

The elring gasket comes coated with a special coating that's heat activated

The head and block has to be clean and dry, easier said than done as the VVT is full of oil that runs out as you tip the head around

All the rubber seals are just oiled

Except for the largest valve cover one, there's a high chance this will leak at the corners, I put a small bead of RTV at the sharp corner, there a thread on here somewhere probably Punto I will see if I can dig it out

The kit you linked comes with a new exhaust gasket, this is also fitted dry
 
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traditional red rubber grease or more modern silicon grease. Nothing with a mineral oil base so never anything like ordinary grease or oil, not petroleum jelly either (Vaseline) as it's petroleum based which will degrade the rubber.
Oh hang on here, You talking about the O rings in the cam cover? They are designed for oil so a light smear of oil just to ease them into the groove. Sorry, something like the O ring on the metal water pipe where it fits in the back of the water pump would need a lubricant like silicon because it's not designed to tolerate oil and it's a very tight to fit.
Also, the Haynes manual is telling me to put the HG on dry when replacing -- is that right?
Yup. head gaskets normally go on dry. In fact you may end up with it not sealing if you use a gasket cement. Some gaskets these days have a surface preparation which bonds with heat when the engine warms up to full temp
like should I use gasket sealant when replacing the manifold gaskets and HG?
Nope. Exhaust gets so hot it will burn normal sealants. Inlet gaskets are usually soft enough they deform slightly when the manifold is tightened down. Again, not normal to use sealants on head gaskets. In fact some inlet manifold gaskets and head gaskets have custom rubberized seals embedded around coolant galleries and adding sealant will interfere with these.
 
No

The elring gasket comes coated with a special coating that's heat activated

The head and block has to be clean and dry, easier said than done as the VVT is full of oil that runs out as you tip the head around

All the rubber seals are just oiled

Except for the largest valve cover one, there's a high chance this will leak at the corners, I put a small bead of RTV at the sharp corner, there a thread on here somewhere probably Punto I will see if I can dig it out
sorry koalar, I was composing the above as you made your reply. Glad to see we agree. Good point about the sealant in the corners of the cover seal, almost guaranteed to weep if you don't use a wee bit of sealant - not all way round, just in the corners.
 
Explained in link below

 
This is the picture from the link you posted, quite a lot of the seals on the left of the picture you won’t be using if you’re not doing a full recondition of the cylinder head. Things like the valve stem oil seals and some of those bigger seals are for the cam shaft so really you be mainly using the HG, the rocker cover gasket, the exhaust and the intake gaskets and seals you won’t need to worry too much about lubricating o-rings for what you’ll be doing.

If in doubt I generally use oil for or from the engine, that way the seals will be manufactured to a specification which allows for exposure to that engine oil.

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Many many thanks and well-being to all who have helped on this -- really glad I joined this community

Latest question: What is the best way to ensure I have the cams set to TDC when refitting the belt? Not done it yet, but I don't think I have a tool

also, I'm sending the block to get skimmed, so how can I make sure I set everything up right/TDC when reassembling?
 
What is the best way to ensure I have the cams set to TDC when refitting the belt? Not done it yet, but I don't think I have a tool
You need the correct locking tools to fit the timing belt to this engine; there are no timing marks.

I'm sending the block to get skimmed

I'm assuming you mean the head.
 
You need the correct locking tools to fit the timing belt to this engine; there are no timing marks.



I'm assuming you mean the head.
Quite right -- the head is getting skimmed lol

I have the tool coming in to lock the crankshaft in place, just wondering about the cams in the event I take them out
 
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