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Panda (Classic) Hal, the turquoise Selecta: Once more unto the breach, dear friends!

Introduction

Named after [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_V_of_England"]King Henry V[/ame] (Prince Hal, for those, like me, who are Shakespeare addicts...) -- not the computer in Kubrick's masterpiece, 2001: A Space Odyssey -- Hal (see the number plate...), I'm hoping, is the Panda of my dreams. For someone who said he wasn't going to buy any Pandas, this year -- but I would buy either a Selecta or a 4x4, next year... -- I'm doing pretty well.... :D

No new photos, beyond those in this how-on-earth-did-I-end-up-with-a-third-Panda thread: as there's nothing new to show, really; and I was too tired to take photos of the engine bay... -- so apologies for the disappointment. Hal does feature a full complement of tools, under/around the spare, though, I can reveal; as well as a stonking new battery; and a very slow oil leak (possibly from the rocker cover...). :eek:



As you'll have seen from the Auction Watch thread, I had to catch a couple of trains to get to Hal; followed by a gentle walk through the suburbs of Birmingham (where Hal seems to have spent all of his life...). The guy selling the car then took me to the Post Office to get a new tax disc, and to the local factors, to get the battery. (What a star...!) He even wanted to make sure that all the fluid levels, etc. were okay, before I set off...! :worship:

It comes with most of its old MOTs -- showing the following mileage progression...
  1. 08/1996: 10,970
  2. 09/1997: 14,397
  3. 09/2001: 24,965
  4. 09/2002: 27,252
  5. 01/2004: 27,584
  6. 01/2005: 34,693
  7. 01/2006: 42,205
  8. 01/2007: 48,929
  9. 01/2008: 55,391
  10. 01/2009: 60,597
  11. 01/2010: 65,560
  12. 01/2011: 70,107
  13. 01/2012: 75,179
  14. 09/2013: 78,084
...so it's been in pretty constant use; but nothing too strenuous! :)

It also comes with two copies of the Owner Handbook -- as did Pippin -- both identical: neither mentioning either the 1108 cc engine* I'm fairly convinced it has (see below); nor the injection light, on the dash (that does work... -- also see below...). :confused:



Anyhoo: never having driven a Selecta in anger, before, I have the following comments:
  1. It's more obviously CVT-based than Priscilla: making a lot more fuss (i.e. piling on the revs) before the actual speed catches up. It does this quite noisily, at the moment (but then quietens down at speed....) -- which I hope will be helped by a new bucketful of gearbox oil... -- but I wouldn't be surprised if the clutch will need replacing soon. We shall see.... :rolleyes:
  2. Frell, it's powerful... (well, as much as a classic Panda can be, without an engine transplant...) -- especially compared to Pippin... -- and it seemed to have even more pep than Pinky: so I'm assuming this is the 1108 cc engine* -- especially as all the plastic stuff under the bonnet is dark blue. I found myself cruising at a measured 75 mph (sorry, officer...) all too easily; and it is very relaxing to drive on the motorway... -- if a little less engaging (if you'll excuse the pun...). :cool:
  3. The injection light came on momentarily, just before the services on the M42, so I left the motorway, intending to stop: only for the light to then go out, as I slowed down. So I went back onto the motorway, keeping to about 65-70 mph; and it never reappeared.... I'm hoping this was just a minor glitch, caused by the fact that it's been parked up for a few months -- but any advice will be gladly taken. Hopefully, whatever the 1993 equivalent of OBD will reveal all (or, even better, nothing...) -- if there is such a thing.... I will investigate.... :idea:
  4. The brakes are also more reassuring than any other Panda's I've driven; and the suspension seems fine (if not as tight as Pippin's all-new stuff...). (y)
I'm therefore hoping that this turns out to be the bargain of the century... -- but we shall let VmanC be the judge of that! :slayer:

Overall, I'm incredibly chuffed. The bodywork, sills, etc., have obviously been fettled at some point; but it feels solid, generally. I just need -- with Vernon's help, probably -- to sort out the aftermarket washer jets; although I think I shall leave the aerial where it is, for the moment. :eek:

Immediate plans include changing the engine and gearbox oils; coolant, air filter, etc.. I shall then, hopefully, give Hal a darned good clean, inside and out; before taking him to Vernon's.... Eventually, I may source a new HU, and add in some front speakers. I'm quite tempted to leave the slight variations in colour (346: Turchese, I believe...) as they are, though: as this will be my go-to Panda (with Betty being for special occasions; and Pippin, obviously, going to the homewardette...) -- and I quite like what I think of as the 'patina of honesty'...! :rolleyes:



Watch this space...! :wave:

* Just found a piece of paper with the engine and chassis numbers -- along with the following text: "1108 cc" and "29-4-93". There you go, Most Easterly Pandas...! (y)

And double cock.... :bang:

I note your use of the words "in theory"; and will wait to confirm this is the case, when I have the correct part in my hands...! :eek:

This is from Paul, at Grays:

Sorry to hear the bad news. I've just looked on ePER myself and it lists a manual clutch under 181 (clutch), then the auto clutch under 212 (gearbox) so I understand the confusion.

Unfortunately the auto clutch 7667609 is no longer available. I have also tried various motor factors but they don't list one either, so I can't supply. Please return the wrong clutch within ten days for a full refund.

I have therefore emailed Big Mick at Eurocarcare.net. We shall see.... :(

Any time this year will be fine ;).

Howzabout next year...? :eek:
 
Just managed to get onto ePER; and found that the part number for the clutch is supposedly 7667609. :confused:

Am now slightly confused -- as I picked up 71793495 (the replacement for 71790547) from Gray's, this morning: but stupidly didn't look in the box, as I was starting with a migraine (which I'm still suffering from...). :(

I shall have to go out and look at it, tomorrow (it's in the boot of the Punto, waiting to be tranported to Vernon's...) -- but I'm half expecting it to be a 'traditional' clutch that greets me...! :eek:

If anyone can make sense of this, please feel free to do so: as my brain seems to be currently made of scrambled eggs.... :eek:

And double cock.... :bang:



This is from Paul, at Grays:

Sorry to hear the bad news. I've just looked on ePER myself and it lists a manual clutch under 181 (clutch), then the auto clutch under 212 (gearbox) so I understand the confusion.

Unfortunately the auto clutch 7667609 is no longer available. I have also tried various motor factors but they don't list one either, so I can't supply. Please return the wrong clutch within ten days for a full refund.

I have therefore emailed Big Mick at Eurocarcare.net. We shall see.... :(



Howzabout next year...? :eek:


Just called Desira Gt Yarmouth. Confirmed my part number no longer correct, and got given part number 71793495 as a replacement at £81.50 delivered. Checked your previous post and its the same as you've already got :bang:

It wasn't my normal parts guy, so might call in person tomorrow on the way into work to see if my normal chap can muster anything.

I knew I should have brought a spare or three a year or two back now :(

EDIT: I'll dig the clutch back out in a day or two and recheck it to see if its any manufacture markings so you may be able to go direct?

A long shot as well, but might be worth having a good Google search into the Mirca's ECVT box as apparently it was the same as the Panda's, and they sold them by the ship load, still a lot out there, so if the same clutch might be readily available through a Nissan dealer?
 
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Just called Desira Gt Yarmouth. Confirmed my part number no longer correct, and got given part number 71793495 as a replacement at £81.50 delivered. Checked your previous post and its the same as you've already got :bang:

It wasn't my normal parts guy, so might call in person tomorrow on the way into work to see if my normal chap can muster anything.

I knew I should have brought a spare or three a year or two back now :(

EDIT: I'll dig the clutch back out in a day or two and recheck it to see if its any manufacture markings so you may be able to go direct?

A long shot as well, but might be worth having a good Google search into the Mirca's ECVT box as apparently it was the same as the Panda's, and they sold them by the ship load, still a lot out there, so if the same clutch might be readily available through a Nissan dealer?

Sorry to crash into the thread, but is the Uno Selecta clutch the same as the Panda Selecta one do you know? Needless to say Eper doesn't cover the mk1 Uno so I'm wondering if I potentially have the same problem later?

If it's the same clutch and you find a source (or if it's not the same but you find a source!) please bear in mind that I'm in the market for one too. I've had a google and nothing is obvious for Panda or Uno versions.... :bang:

Many thanks. :worship:
 
Just called Desira Gt Yarmouth. Confirmed my part number no longer correct, and got given part number 71793495 as a replacement at £81.50 delivered. Checked your previous post and its the same as you've already got :bang:

It wasn't my normal parts guy, so might call in person tomorrow on the way into work to see if my normal chap can muster anything.

I knew I should have brought a spare or three a year or two back now :(

EDIT: I'll dig the clutch back out in a day or two and recheck it to see if its any manufacture markings so you may be able to go direct?

A long shot as well, but might be worth having a good Google search into the Mirca's ECVT box as apparently it was the same as the Panda's, and they sold them by the ship load, still a lot out there, so if the same clutch might be readily available through a Nissan dealer?

Thanks, Jon -- very much appreciated! (I think I owe you a whole vat of cider, now...!) :worship:

After driving the Micra the other day, I think this is a cracking idea.... How I find out, I don't know -- although I could show your photos to some hapless Nissan parts minion...? :rolleyes:

Sorry to crash into the thread, but is the Uno Selecta clutch the same as the Panda Selecta one do you know? Needless to say Eper doesn't cover the mk1 Uno so I'm wondering if I potentially have the same problem later?

If it's the same clutch and you find a source (or if it's not the same but you find a source!) please bear in mind that I'm in the market for one too. I've had a google and nothing is obvious for Panda or Uno versions.... :bang:

This is also a good thought... -- but I too have reached a Google dead end.... :(

I know the Punto Selecta is different: because of the way it's controlled, I believe(?); but had forgotten that rather yummy Uno parked next to me at Castle Combe...! :D

I shall see what Big Mick comes back with. To be honest, if he can't find a source, I'd be really concerned. (I shall then move on to our Italian friends....) I shall then buy a round dozen; and sell them on at an exorbitant mark-up.... :devil:

No wonder that £400 one near Blenheim hasn't sold.... :eek:
 
Sorry to crash into the thread, but is the Uno Selecta clutch the same as the Panda Selecta one do you know? Needless to say Eper doesn't cover the mk1 Uno so I'm wondering if I potentially have the same problem later?

Have you tried one of the Polish or Italian online ePERs...? The later automatic transmission is obviously completely different.... :confused:
 
Have you tried one of the Polish or Italian online ePERs...? The later automatic transmission is obviously completely different.... :confused:

Hadn't realised there were any, but Italian into an approximation of English Eper is bad enough. I don't know what I'm looking for, what the engine code is or anything :cry: All I know is it's a mk1 Uno Selecta on an "F" reg. :confused:

To be fair I may get on better in Polish..... :idea:
 
Hadn't realised there were any, but Italian into an approximation of English Eper is bad enough. I don't know what I'm looking for, what the engine code is or anything :cry: All I know is it's a mk1 Uno Selecta on an "F" reg. :confused:

To be fair I may get on better in Polish..... :idea:

Don't worry: I'm just about to make a fool of myself in the Uno section...! ;)

PS: My ex-wife is Polish -- but that doesn't really help.... :eek:
 
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I'll dig the clutch back out in a day or two and recheck it to see if its any manufacture markings so you may be able to go direct?

My guess -- as it says "Made in Japan" is that it's made by Fuji Heavy Industries (owner of Subaru): and may therefore be the same ECVT clutch as was in the Justy, as well as possibly the Micra. More research to follow.... :confused:

Interesting factoid: CVTs were banned from Formula 1 in 1994 because they were making the cars too fast...! :D

PS: The Micra link, above, may hold the answer. Bear with me....! :cool:

PPS: It's Nissan part number 3005041B04; and looks very, very similar to Most Easterly Pandas' picture, above...! :woot:


Nissan


FIAT
 
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To try and keep everything in one place -- for future generations of Selecta owners -- this article may help, if it's just the brushes.... :idea:

I've found an American site (don't know how up-to-date it is) that supplies the clutches, brushes, and remanufactured transmissions, for the Subaru Justy... -- but they ain't cheap, dognabbit. :eek:
 
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Someone's been busy this evening homeward! :eek: :D

That Micra link above, gearbox looks identical to the Select box does when its out of the car.

I've decided when (not if, think positive!) we (you know I mean you as you're interwebs searching seems far more through than mine) find a source of replacements that I'll get a Selecta clutch or two as spare. With a fleet of 2 its practically an essential spare to have!
 
Someone's been busy this evening homeward! :eek: :D

That Micra link above, gearbox looks identical to the Select box does when its out of the car.

I've decided when (not if, think positive!) we (you know I mean you as you're interwebs searching seems far more through than mine) find a source of replacements that I'll get a Selecta clutch or two as spare. With a fleet of 2 its practically an essential spare to have!

Thanks for your faith...! And good to know that the Micra gearbox looks as similar as I thought it did.... :worship:

Yes... when we find a source, I shall be taking orders. I may even get a few sets of brushes.... :cool:

Anyone else out there, just either PM me, or add yourself to the following list:
  • @homeward -- at least one, probably two.
  • @Most Easterly Pandas -- one or two.
  • @Palio -- if it's the same in the Mk1 Uno Selecta...?!
  • @Panda Mo/@VmanC -- ???
  • @JamieK -- ???
Apologies if I've missed anyone obvious.... :eek:

PS: Won't be ordering many at this price. 27kg sounds like a lot of clutch(es), though.... :confused:

PPS: I think Nissan must make them from gold and pixie dust. This site gives the price as either $1676.03 or $2615.39... -- and I'm pretty sure those are USD.... :cry:
 
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I know... -- my PPS edit crossed with your comment.... This site also seems to confirm the ridiculousness.... :(
Just saw that, that makes the cheaper of the two just over £1000 in the Queens money. Maybe she'll be of some help because I can't think of anyone else you could ask now.... :(
 
Hal drove into the workshop tonight so that pretty much cancels out the micro switch.

Bizarre, but true: I actually drove Hal, today, around Vernon's yard. Works just fine -- forwards and reverse. I wasn't brave enough, though, to take him for a run through the bucolic pastures of Droxford: just in case I jinxed things.... :eek:

Makes me think that it could be an intermittent fault on the electronic side of things, then (although will still source a spare clutch -- eventually... -- just in case...). Brushes, anyone...? (May get a spare set of those, as well...!) :confused:
 
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