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Panda (Classic) Hal, the turquoise Selecta: Once more unto the breach, dear friends!

Introduction

Named after [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_V_of_England"]King Henry V[/ame] (Prince Hal, for those, like me, who are Shakespeare addicts...) -- not the computer in Kubrick's masterpiece, 2001: A Space Odyssey -- Hal (see the number plate...), I'm hoping, is the Panda of my dreams. For someone who said he wasn't going to buy any Pandas, this year -- but I would buy either a Selecta or a 4x4, next year... -- I'm doing pretty well.... :D

No new photos, beyond those in this how-on-earth-did-I-end-up-with-a-third-Panda thread: as there's nothing new to show, really; and I was too tired to take photos of the engine bay... -- so apologies for the disappointment. Hal does feature a full complement of tools, under/around the spare, though, I can reveal; as well as a stonking new battery; and a very slow oil leak (possibly from the rocker cover...). :eek:



As you'll have seen from the Auction Watch thread, I had to catch a couple of trains to get to Hal; followed by a gentle walk through the suburbs of Birmingham (where Hal seems to have spent all of his life...). The guy selling the car then took me to the Post Office to get a new tax disc, and to the local factors, to get the battery. (What a star...!) He even wanted to make sure that all the fluid levels, etc. were okay, before I set off...! :worship:

It comes with most of its old MOTs -- showing the following mileage progression...
  1. 08/1996: 10,970
  2. 09/1997: 14,397
  3. 09/2001: 24,965
  4. 09/2002: 27,252
  5. 01/2004: 27,584
  6. 01/2005: 34,693
  7. 01/2006: 42,205
  8. 01/2007: 48,929
  9. 01/2008: 55,391
  10. 01/2009: 60,597
  11. 01/2010: 65,560
  12. 01/2011: 70,107
  13. 01/2012: 75,179
  14. 09/2013: 78,084
...so it's been in pretty constant use; but nothing too strenuous! :)

It also comes with two copies of the Owner Handbook -- as did Pippin -- both identical: neither mentioning either the 1108 cc engine* I'm fairly convinced it has (see below); nor the injection light, on the dash (that does work... -- also see below...). :confused:



Anyhoo: never having driven a Selecta in anger, before, I have the following comments:
  1. It's more obviously CVT-based than Priscilla: making a lot more fuss (i.e. piling on the revs) before the actual speed catches up. It does this quite noisily, at the moment (but then quietens down at speed....) -- which I hope will be helped by a new bucketful of gearbox oil... -- but I wouldn't be surprised if the clutch will need replacing soon. We shall see.... :rolleyes:
  2. Frell, it's powerful... (well, as much as a classic Panda can be, without an engine transplant...) -- especially compared to Pippin... -- and it seemed to have even more pep than Pinky: so I'm assuming this is the 1108 cc engine* -- especially as all the plastic stuff under the bonnet is dark blue. I found myself cruising at a measured 75 mph (sorry, officer...) all too easily; and it is very relaxing to drive on the motorway... -- if a little less engaging (if you'll excuse the pun...). :cool:
  3. The injection light came on momentarily, just before the services on the M42, so I left the motorway, intending to stop: only for the light to then go out, as I slowed down. So I went back onto the motorway, keeping to about 65-70 mph; and it never reappeared.... I'm hoping this was just a minor glitch, caused by the fact that it's been parked up for a few months -- but any advice will be gladly taken. Hopefully, whatever the 1993 equivalent of OBD will reveal all (or, even better, nothing...) -- if there is such a thing.... I will investigate.... :idea:
  4. The brakes are also more reassuring than any other Panda's I've driven; and the suspension seems fine (if not as tight as Pippin's all-new stuff...). (y)
I'm therefore hoping that this turns out to be the bargain of the century... -- but we shall let VmanC be the judge of that! :slayer:

Overall, I'm incredibly chuffed. The bodywork, sills, etc., have obviously been fettled at some point; but it feels solid, generally. I just need -- with Vernon's help, probably -- to sort out the aftermarket washer jets; although I think I shall leave the aerial where it is, for the moment. :eek:

Immediate plans include changing the engine and gearbox oils; coolant, air filter, etc.. I shall then, hopefully, give Hal a darned good clean, inside and out; before taking him to Vernon's.... Eventually, I may source a new HU, and add in some front speakers. I'm quite tempted to leave the slight variations in colour (346: Turchese, I believe...) as they are, though: as this will be my go-to Panda (with Betty being for special occasions; and Pippin, obviously, going to the homewardette...) -- and I quite like what I think of as the 'patina of honesty'...! :rolleyes:



Watch this space...! :wave:

* Just found a piece of paper with the engine and chassis numbers -- along with the following text: "1108 cc" and "29-4-93". There you go, Most Easterly Pandas...! (y)
When she failed was the LED light showing when in Drive?

Thanks for your words of wisdom...! :worship:

Yes, the light was showing (although I still have to be convinced that means anything other than the bulb is working...) -- however, I think you're right about the brushes... -- as that's what Master Yoda suspected. If it is the clutch (variously described by me as "a load of old powder", and by VmanC as "a load of iron filings"...), though, I wonder how obtainable they aren't...? :eek:
 
thanks on your seats offer...

I shall make sure that VmanC keeps them to one side for you.... Could be a couple of months or so, anyway.... (y)
Palio -- I feel really guilty, now: that you dragged the seats from the lock-up. Sorry.... :eek:

But you know how charming Vernon can be! I had a budget of thruppence-ha'penny for Betty; and am now on my fifteenth bar of gold, and third kidney. ;)

I reckon it's really Pete and Alan's faults...! (As long as Vernon doesn't snitch, I can say that with whatever-the-politically-correct-replacement-for-gay-is abandon: as neither of them (yet) has accounts on here....) :devil:
 
Thanks for your words of wisdom...! :worship:

Yes, the light was showing (although I still have to be convinced that means anything other than the bulb is working...) -- however, I think you're right about the brushes... -- as that's what Master Yoda suspected. If it is the clutch (variously described by me as "a load of old powder", and by VmanC as "a load of iron filings"...), though, I wonder how obtainable they aren't...? :eek:

Obtainable with ease when I last checked about 2 years ago, and best of all, not stupidly priced. About £77 from main dealer inc VAT iirc :)

What mileage has Hal done again :confused:
 
Obtainable with ease when I last checked about 2 years ago, and best of all, not stupidly priced. About £77 from main dealer inc VAT iirc :)

:woot:

What mileage has Hal done again :confused:

78,000. And Vernon suggested it might even be as simple as the microswitch by the accelerator, that I believe pulls the clutch in. (Still haven't quite got my head around how this actually works... -- as you can probably tell....) :confused:
 
78,000. And Vernon suggested it might even be as simple as the microswitch by the accelerator, that I believe pulls the clutch in. (Still haven't quite got my head around how this actually works... -- as you can probably tell....) :confused:

Again plausible, although IIRC there is a RPM tolerance to still engage the clutch if one or more of the switches fails, but will just be jerky. I'm sure Vern should be able to get her sorted though :)

Just checked the notes on my phone, not sure the exact date, but like I said was within the last 2 years. Clutch part number 71790547 £67.87 (Trade, I'm fairly lucky with my parts man at my local dealer) - this was based on 1108CC setup, but I think we'd come to the conclusion Hal was anyway didn't we? Not sure if it'd be different for the 999cc Selecta or not.
 
Clutch part number 71790547 £67.87 (Trade, I'm fairly lucky with my parts man at my local dealer) - this was based on 1108CC setup, but I think we'd come to the conclusion Hal was anyway didn't we? Not sure if it'd be different for the 999cc Selecta or not.

Yup: Hal is definitely 1108 cc.... And you are a star...! Thank you! Will go off on a parts number hunt... -- just in case.... :worship:

PS: Found a German website that said this has been replaced by 71793495. Seems to be around the right price, too.... I have just emailed Grays, our local FIAT dealer, to see what they come back with.... :idea:
 
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I shall make sure that VmanC keeps them to one side for you.... Could be a couple of months or so, anyway.... (y)

Palio -- I feel really guilty, now: that you dragged the seats from the lock-up. Sorry.... :eek:

But you know how charming Vernon can be! I had a budget of thruppence-ha'penny for Betty; and am now on my fifteenth bar of gold, and third kidney. ;)

I reckon it's really Pete and Alan's faults...! (As long as Vernon doesn't snitch, I can say that with whatever-the-politically-correct-replacement-for-gay-is abandon: as neither of them (yet) has accounts on here....) :devil:


You don't need an account to view ;), anyway, Alan does have an account :p

Hal drove into the workshop tonight so that pretty much cancels out the micro switch. We're looking forward to Hal teaching us all about CVT gearboxes Fiat style, Volvo gearboxes are all I know and that's of little use as the modern versions use different operating systems.

Good to meet up today Stephen, and thank you for the prezzie, I think Barbara wants to put it on Bo. (y)



EDIT: Oh and thanks for the gold bar. :D
 
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You don't need an account to view ;), anyway, Alan does have an account :p

Oh, cock. :eek:

And I thought he wasn't interested in Pandas...!

Hal drove into the workshop tonight so that pretty much cancels out the micro switch. We're looking forward to Hal teaching us all about CVT gearboxes Fiat style, Volvo gearboxes are all I know and that's of little use as the modern versions use different operating systems.

My money is still on the clutch, after finding a diagram in an old AA review. But I'm prepared to be completely wrong.... :eek:

Good to meet up today Stephen, and thank you for the prezzie, I think Barbara wants to put it on Bo. (y)

That'll have people guessing...! I'm just glad I was on my way to you, when it all went a little pear-shaped... -- and it's always fun at Panda HQ...! :)

EDIT: Oh and thanks for the gold bar. :D

No problem. Hope you had a nice Chianti with that kidney...! :devil:
 
I'm interested to see how this one plays out (cheeply I hope) I do love the selecta and would like another but I have to admit the gearbox did worry me a little in terms of knollage being out there when/if it stopped working.
 
I shall make sure that VmanC keeps them to one side for you.... Could be a couple of months or so, anyway.... (y)

Palio -- I feel really guilty, now: that you dragged the seats from the lock-up. Sorry.... :eek:

But you know how charming Vernon can be! I had a budget of thruppence-ha'penny for Betty; and am now on my fifteenth bar of gold, and third kidney. ;)

I reckon it's really Pete and Alan's faults...! (As long as Vernon doesn't snitch, I can say that with whatever-the-politically-correct-replacement-for-gay-is abandon: as neither of them (yet) has accounts on here....) :devil:

Woof I've got to take them back to Aylesbury then :bang: Anyone else want them while they are here?
VmanC roof bars? The best laid schemes 'o bars an' men...... Obviously they are still here & therefore not where we need them for Panto! Any thoughts? :confused:
 
...if only there was some sort of service where items could be taken from one location to another for a fee...

putten dem in a taxi?

Not that you've ever tried to find a cheaper alternative i.e. The Panda Express eh? :rolleyes:

I've already paid a significant amount to get them posted from Germany, so I think joking about a taxi is a little unhelpful..... :mad:
 
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...if only there was some sort of service where items could be taken from one location to another for a fee...

putten dem in a taxi?

Not that you've ever tried to find a cheaper alternative i.e. The Panda Express eh? :rolleyes:

I've already paid a significant amount to get them posted from Germany, so I think joking about a taxi is a little unhelpful..... :mad:

....or parcel post :p
 
Woof I've got to take them back to Aylesbury then :bang: Anyone else want them while they are here?

VmanC roof bars? The best laid schemes 'o bars an' men...... Obviously they are still here & therefore not where we need them for Panto! Any thoughts? :confused:


Will give you a call about it, but basically I'm hoping to have some of the work on the Sisley done so that you can have it back for the NEC, then you can come down with Pinky and swap before the end of the month bringing the roof bars with you.

Does that sound ok? :)
 
Will give you a call about it, but basically I'm hoping to have some of the work on the Sisley done so that you can have it back for the NEC, then you can come down with Pinky and swap before the end of the month bringing the roof bars with you.

Does that sound ok? :)

Good plan (y) Can use the Abarth for the NEC if need be, but despite being twice the size (well prob not!) I'd lose a seat (only 4) and luggage space (get more in a Panda!).

If we can use Howie that's great & you can take him straight back leaving me with Panto! If it doesn't work out I'll have to post at least one set of bars down to you. (y)

Sorry for cluttering Hal's thread homeward :eek:
 
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If it doesn't work out I'll have to post at least one set of bars down to you. (y)

Sorry for cluttering Hal's thread homeward :eek:

No problem! :)

I'm half tempted to visit Betty, when she comes back from the paintshop... -- especially as I may have to carry on to Salisbury, again, for a specialist's appointment.... :rolleyes:
VmanC: when will Betty be back, please? If you can let me have a firm-ish date, then I'll come down in the Punto; collect the bars -- and seats, if you want, Palio (I'll dump them in Hal -- then, when Vernon starts working on him, collect them; and take yours and Hal's up to Dragon Man...) -- deliver them to Vernon; ogle Betty; and then head off to Salisbury to be told off for doing too much (again...). :eek:

Do we have the makings of a plan...? :confused:
 
No problem! :)

I'm half tempted to visit Betty, when she comes back from the paintshop... -- especially as I may have to carry on to Salisbury, again, for a specialist's appointment.... :rolleyes:

VmanC: when will Betty be back, please? If you can let me have a firm-ish date, then I'll come down in the Punto; collect the bars -- and seats, if you want, Palio (I'll dump them in Hal -- then, when Vernon starts working on him, collect them; and take yours and Hal's up to Dragon Man...) -- deliver them to Vernon; ogle Betty; and then head off to Salisbury to be told off for doing too much (again...). :eek:

Do we have the makings of a plan...? :confused:

A week Monday I would hope.
 
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