Technical GSR Induction Kit Review
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Technical GSR Induction Kit Review
that bloke got a full refund.
Easy mate, I was not having a go, simply saying what I am allow to say. We can decide on what we all want. I am talking from my personal experience which is subjective. If you post something on here you should allow others to question with out predjuice.
We are all trying stuff here and sharing. I think it's great. Again it's all personal choice. Enough said.
LOL why does everyone seem to think they can make their own kit better? Do you have any understanding of flow pressures and the optimum requirements for this? Where is your mechanical engineering qualifications?
I say, get to a rolling road day, roll the car with your little home made kit, and then with the GSR, and you'll realise the difference.
The difference here though, is rather than buying some off the shelf "made as cheap as possible" kit which is what most people do, you've ordered a hand made kit with the GSR. You have to understand that when things are made to order the process takes longer. I'm sure you do anyway, as you had a custom kit made elsewhere in the end.
I could go buy a CDA from halfrauds for my pug in much less time than awaiting the GSR kit, but then I pay the same for in affect a loss of power, in which case why did I bother doing the mod?
The kit is imho worth the wait as it is the best one available. Not that Oldschool needs me to talk up the quality of his kit. Theres a reason it sells so well on this forum.
My reply to this again (Great) personal choice, which is what this world is about. I am sorry I caused an argument. BUt chill guys and galls. It's all personal choice. If the GSR kit works for you fair play. I was offering a comment to a statment made.
And maybe I do know about airflow. But who cares. It's your B not mine so enjoy it for yourself.
Merry Bank Holiday all......
I found post 221 also quite interesting. James Austen who made some other remarks on the quality of the raw silicon didn't impress the supplier who is MST. They considering sueing him for making false claims.
As I haven't defended myself on Alfa owner's I certainly won't defend my position here either as nobody of the involved parties can reply here on Fiat forum.
Anyone wanting to kick up a fuss can do it by pm and I am happily forwarding it to the other parties involved.
I have got no problem with personal experience. Neither have I got a problem with competitors products. I also have helped a lot of people make their own induction kit.
Where you have got no personal experience is in what the induction is about you questioned, yet you made a claim.
If my product is not good enough then I have to improve it, which I accept at any given time. But neither I nor potential users appreciate degrading comments that don't even stem from a personal experience.
docorangepeel (Video of what happens with GSR induction hose on an Alfa GTV V6
Do you have pics of the install? From the video it looks like the hose is out of shape before the engine is revved up, it looks oval where the oil breather is fitted. My understanding is that a round four layer silicone hose with a free flowing air filter cannot possibly compress like that.
I saw something similar with an ITG maxogen kit fitted to my friends 106 rallycar, the hose compressed because it was fitted incorrectly. I had the same problem with an ITG maxogen kit, but it wasn`t the fault of the kit, i would never slate ITG, it was infact fitted incorrectly again.
From my vast motorsport/competition experience i believe this to have been caused by an incorrectly installed kit............can we have pics?
Do you have pics of the install? From the video it looks like the hose is out of shape before the engine is revved up, it looks oval where the oil breather is fitted. My understanding is that a round four layer silicone hose with a free flowing air filter cannot possibly compress like that.
I saw something similar with an ITG maxogen kit fitted to my friends 106 rallycar, the hose compressed because it was fitted incorrectly. I had the same problem with an ITG maxogen kit, but it wasn`t the fault of the kit, i would never slate ITG, it was infact fitted incorrectly again.
From my vast motorsport/competition experience i believe this to have been caused by an incorrectly installed kit............can we have pics?
What claim did I make? Sorry I am lost?
I thought I was meaning. I was advised when I designed something simlar, not to have as many bends in the pipe as this restricts air flow (the whole point of an induction kit) Now I am no engineer nor have I put my car on a rolling road, nor claim to know the best kit out there. Induction kits are down to what people think. The Green Air one I had years back I did think much of it. But some people love it.
P.S If you publish something on a site be prepaired for people to comment. This is a public forum. People have raved about this kit so there is proof enough.
Don't let me annoy you.
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Induction kit threads are my favourite.
Smooth and quick and cold (therefore dense) is what you want. The bends in the GSR are smooth and designed to minimise frictional losses. Crucially the bends are there to get the filter nice and low away from the heat of the engine. It is not only the hot air entering the filter that is a problem when your filter is high in the engine bay; it is also the fact that a hot filter will heat the air that passes through it.
If you feel the difference?? Although Funkstar has not had his car RR'd yet, it (the difference made by a GSR kit) is not a matter of opinion. The performance of the GSR kit has been proven on rolling roads time and time again on Barchettas and Punto HGTs. I suggest that after setting up your CDA you should go to the next rolling road day and compare graphs with someone with a GSR kit. Put money on it too if you think you are right.
Smooth and quick and cold (therefore dense) is what you want. The bends in the GSR are smooth and designed to minimise frictional losses. Crucially the bends are there to get the filter nice and low away from the heat of the engine. It is not only the hot air entering the filter that is a problem when your filter is high in the engine bay; it is also the fact that a hot filter will heat the air that passes through it.
However if you feel the difference then job done. Enjoy it.
If you feel the difference?? Although Funkstar has not had his car RR'd yet, it (the difference made by a GSR kit) is not a matter of opinion. The performance of the GSR kit has been proven on rolling roads time and time again on Barchettas and Punto HGTs. I suggest that after setting up your CDA you should go to the next rolling road day and compare graphs with someone with a GSR kit. Put money on it too if you think you are right.
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I don't think I will ever RR my car, being that I'm stuck in Scotland and wouldn't pay more than £10 to get it done anyway. However, the difference was huge... This isn't some placebo effect, or a subtle improvement - my engine performance was vastly improved!
GSR Kit seems to be a quality product, that does exactly what Pete says.
GSR Kit seems to be a quality product, that does exactly what Pete says.
Induction kit threads are my favourite.
Smooth and quick and cold (therefore dense) is what you want. The bends in the GSR are smooth and designed to minimise frictional losses. Crucially the bends are there to get the filter nice and low away from the heat of the engine. It is not only the hot air entering the filter that is a problem when your filter is high in the engine bay; it is also the fact that a hot filter will heat the air that passes through it.
If you feel the difference?? Although Funkstar has not had his car RR'd yet, it (the difference made by a GSR kit) is not a matter of opinion. The performance of the GSR kit has been proven on rolling roads time and time again on Barchettas and Punto HGTs. I suggest that after setting up your CDA you should go to the next rolling road day and compare graphs with someone with a GSR kit. Put money on it too if you think you are right.
I do not think I am right. I give you as you have taken me out of context. Sorry.:worship:
I couldn't read Doc's links as they were doing a server upgrade. However, I don't think that would ever be an issue for the Barchetta kit as the pipe is funnelling cold air to the cone filter so the "suck" from the engine could never do that.
I had a CDA on my Barchetta and it did need cleaning every year or so, but nowhere near as bad as Dave's and no birds On the plus side the CDA always pulls air from outside, even when sitting in traffic. On the downside, on my model, it was difficult to fit in an efficient air flow kind of way. The ducting which came with it wasn't that great so realistically you'll end up needing to buy some good ducting from a specialist. I'm no expert on air-flow, by the way, but I've got a relative who works for number of F1 teams in this area so I've picked up a bit along the way.
I also contacted BMC for advice about fitting the CDA and they told me the got an outside tuner to fit it and sent me some photos. The photos didn't help that much as they were for the later model Barchetta......
In the end Doc's solution for fitting the CDA is probably the best, although I might have done the piece by the grill differently.
What I like about the GSR kit is:
1. Made for you by someone you can go back to if there's a problem
2. Properly designed for the Barchetta.
3. Proven bhp/torque gains with several people you can contact on this site.
4. From previous posts on this subject, in another thread, I think Old School knows his stuff.
5. While you might pull some warmer air in traffic jams, the cone sitting more or less directly on the throttle body means you should get exceptional throttle response.
I was looking to upgrade the in-take for my MR2 and I noticed that K&N's solution is similar in concept to the GSR one (Old School, do you do something for a Mk3 MR2?).
So, there's my thoughts on the subject :-
I had a CDA on my Barchetta and it did need cleaning every year or so, but nowhere near as bad as Dave's and no birds
On the plus side the CDA always pulls air from outside, even when sitting in traffic. On the downside, on my model, it was difficult to fit in an efficient air flow kind of way. The ducting which came with it wasn't that great so realistically you'll end up needing to buy some good ducting from a specialist. I'm no expert on air-flow, by the way, but I've got a relative who works for number of F1 teams in this area so I've picked up a bit along the way.I also contacted BMC for advice about fitting the CDA and they told me the got an outside tuner to fit it and sent me some photos. The photos didn't help that much as they were for the later model Barchetta......
In the end Doc's solution for fitting the CDA is probably the best, although I might have done the piece by the grill differently.
What I like about the GSR kit is:
1. Made for you by someone you can go back to if there's a problem
2. Properly designed for the Barchetta.
3. Proven bhp/torque gains with several people you can contact on this site.
4. From previous posts on this subject, in another thread, I think Old School knows his stuff.
5. While you might pull some warmer air in traffic jams, the cone sitting more or less directly on the throttle body means you should get exceptional throttle response.
I was looking to upgrade the in-take for my MR2 and I noticed that K&N's solution is similar in concept to the GSR one (Old School, do you do something for a Mk3 MR2?).
So, there's my thoughts on the subject :-
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But the cone doesn't sit on the throttle body...the last thing you want is warm air being sucked into the engine, this will seriously sap power.
Ideally you need a cold air box.
Not yet, but everything is possible.
Sorry, I should have said close to the throttle body. The longer the pipe the less direct the throttle response. As long as cold air is being fed to the cone filter it can sit close to the throttle body. I posted a link to some rolling road tests the MG-TF lot did on the subject in another thread.
In the end I think the GSR kit gets as much cold air into the Barchetta as it can use. I don't think any other system will get it above 153 or so bhp. To go beyond that you'll probably need fast road cams.
As I say, just my opinion.
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I've had a GSR kit on my Punto HGT and can hands down say it is the best system available. Increase in torque and BHP throughout the rev range are impressive and very noticeable to say the least.
£ for lbft/bhp you will NOT do better.
£ for lbft/bhp you will NOT do better.
I have not read the entire thread ('cos in the 2 years I have been on here its all been said a hundred times!!) but can testify that changing the induction on the b does make a difference.
Initially I changed mine to a Green kit which sat high in the engine bay on the top of the rad and could hiccup on occasion when sitting in traffic in hot weather.
I changed to the GSR kit (I have to admit that I am still running the prototype so it has probably improved a bit since I fitted mine) and managed to get 139 bhp on the rolling road without a re-map and with a standard FIAT exhaust - the results speak for themselves chaps!
I looked at the CDA but was put off by the work involved in fitting it and the cost, also Doc and I went for an 'enthusiastic' hoon through Bedfordshire and there was NO difference between the on-road performance between the cars.
If you fancy fitting a dyson to your b then go for the CDA but I have to say that I think you will find the GSR kit (or even a green kit) will do just as good a job!
Initially I changed mine to a Green kit which sat high in the engine bay on the top of the rad and could hiccup on occasion when sitting in traffic in hot weather.
I changed to the GSR kit (I have to admit that I am still running the prototype so it has probably improved a bit since I fitted mine) and managed to get 139 bhp on the rolling road without a re-map and with a standard FIAT exhaust - the results speak for themselves chaps!
I looked at the CDA but was put off by the work involved in fitting it and the cost, also Doc and I went for an 'enthusiastic' hoon through Bedfordshire and there was NO difference between the on-road performance between the cars.
If you fancy fitting a dyson to your b then go for the CDA but I have to say that I think you will find the GSR kit (or even a green kit) will do just as good a job!
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There is only one thing concerning me about the GSR kit; the filter seems to sit quite low in the engine bay which may/may not make it more vulnerable to ingesting water in the day to day weather we have here in England.
Please tell me I am wrong and give some valid experiences from an everyday driver...
Please tell me I am wrong and give some valid experiences from an everyday driver...
my filter is lower than the B kit and i regualy drive around on the back roads between eight ash green west burgholt horkesley boxted langham and when it rains there massive puddles on them roads and never had a problem.
if you can't make it to the rr day see here https://www.fiatforum.com/events/190874-its-back-ff-rolling-road-re-map-day-21-06-2009-a.html
and are happy to not have the rr before and after, you can have the kit delivered and fitted at home if you like no extra charge
if you can't make it to the rr day see here https://www.fiatforum.com/events/190874-its-back-ff-rolling-road-re-map-day-21-06-2009-a.html
and are happy to not have the rr before and after, you can have the kit delivered and fitted at home if you like no extra charge
I have spent the past 5 1/2 months driving 450+ miles a week in the heavy snow and subsequent floods and had no issues whatsoever, in fact I managed to make it out of Devon on the day hundreds of others were stuck on the same road I used.............. (I was on the A380) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/w...-rescued-after-drivers-stranded-in-Devon.html
To be honest, if the flood/puddle/water is high enough to get into the induction then it is high enough to get into your doors and you should not attempt to cross it in the first place!
