General Franko the 1971 500L

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General Franko the 1971 500L

I decided to have a go at fabricating the inner wing panel. I wanted to get this part sorted so I could finish the ns first, I didn't really want to start another part of the vehicle as it can get a bit daunting when there is so much to do. Far better to concentrate on one area first.

Step 1. Planning.
The inner wing is rotten at the bottom (usual place to corrode).
There is a good solid centre section which I can leave in place.
The Top section is very curved and also has a more bulbess section where it meets the bulkhead, only reason I could see for this was to allow for more room for the wiring loom to come through. The upright section where the 1/4 joins to is heavily corroded.
I made some paper templates to get the size of the metal parts required.
Unfortunately I don't have the tools or expertise to make a panel out of one piece of steel so I will need to make it in sections.

Step 2. Cut & shape panels.
I conveniently had a 1/4 panel that I cut off that had similar shaping to the parts I required. Its always easier to shape metal that is similar shape than to start with a flat sheet.
I cut the sections out & cleaned the metal of paint, filler, rust & other stuff.
Starting with the upright panel I folded the edge over to resemble the original.
This caused the panel to bow so I used the edge of the hammer to shrink the edge (I daren't buy a shrinker at the moment, wifes asking questions!), then folded the other side which didn't bow the panel.
There is a large hole at the top, a lot bigger than my cutters, then I remembered a hole cutter I had for stainless steel sinks which came with a sink from IKEA about 10 years ago. Perfect size!
I cut off the original upright section and tacked in the new one. I then tried the 1/4 & Engine cover/boot & rear panel. All lined up ok.
I then formed up 2 panels to make the main inner wing section & removed the other part of the inner wing & cleaned up surrounding areas and straightened surfaces up.
The flat section above was fairly corroded, I tried cleaning it but due to access this was going to be difficult, so I cut it off & made a new one.
This was so much quicker & cleaner & also gave me access to clean the inside section.
I then formed a right angle section that will be spot welded to the underneath & then the other 2 panels can be welded to it. Clamped this in place and then trimmed the other panels up to fit better and held them all in place with self tappers.


Step 3. Weld it up
When happy with the fit I removed it in one section & welded it together.
Disaster happened @ 7.20pm, I ran out of mig wire. Down to Halfords, bought new wire, spare C02 bottle just in case and got back home at 7.50 to finish it off.
Gave it a good grind up, little bit more dressing up from heat distortion & spot welded & migged in place.
I don't know why but my mig started playing up once I change the wire (might be a dodgy reel) I will check this out later because I struggled to get a clean weld from it. It might also be because I used a zinc primer!
Anyway, a good clean up & a coat of zinc primer & Hey Presto its as good as new. Just need to do the bottom section now.
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Top work Sean, good job you have the skills to get you out of that little problem.
Tony
 
A little bit more completed!
Refabricated a new lower section to the nsr inner wing. I decided not to replace the square hole usually found in this panel as I can only imagine it was a crumple zone (doubt it would do much good if you were hit in the rear).
I only see it as a way for water to get in and cause corrosion. A stick of rock from Herne Bay sea side for anyone who could suggest a good reason to make that hole. Except for originality, sorry but with all my best efforts this is never going to be an original.


I also cut out the ns engine bay/chassis rail panel, cleaned up the inside and covered in zinc & then welded new panel in place.
I have tried the 1/4 in place, not a bad fit but got a little tweaking to do.
Next step, clean the inner wheel house & inner wing, finish a few items & install the arch and sill strengthener. Then get ready to weld in the 1/4 panel.


Added a before shot to show how bad this panel was & also a shot of an original panel. Once the 1/4 is in place you wont see the difference.
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Top work as always Sean. Trying to get head around where the square hole is you are referring to. Is it visible if the car is in one piece?????

It's doing my head in.

Tony
 
Ha, ha. It's a game of spot the difference. Pic no 5 is how it should be. Pic no 2 is my vehicle. You can't miss the hole about 3" square at the bottom. Maybe I spoke to soon about your eye sight lol.
 
Getting closer to fitting the 1/4 panel.
Cleaned up the old rear lifting platform. This had surface rust but cleaned up nicely. Welded this in place and fitted the strengthner, that was a pain. The gap for the jacking point was in the wrong place, the lower edge finished too short and the panel has to be bent to shape. Such a simple panel but so much wrong with it.
Cleaned up the surface rust on the inner 1/4 with a wire wheel, clean 'n' strip wheel etc and gave a coat of etch/zinc.
Reshaped the inner arch to fit the snug with the 1/4 panel arch, assembled the arch in place and temporarily fitted the 1/4. Once all fitted nicely I clamped the arch in place, removed the 1/4 panel & welded the arch in place.
Just need to clean and fit the seal that fits between the inner & outer 1/4, clean up and prep the 1/4, fit the door catch retaining plate and make the roof panel that will be welded to the 1/4 before welding the 1/4 in place.


Franko is starting to look a bit more solid!
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Top works as always Sean. I assume the offside rear is in better condition than the near side? It's normally the case.
Tony
 
From the outside it looks slightly better. But I think it will be similar as there was 3 holes on the OS roof where there should be one. The lower inner 1/4 is definately corroded. Probably attack the OS once finished the 1/4 panel.
 
From the outside it looks slightly better. But I think it will be similar as there was 3 holes on the OS roof where there should be one. The lower inner 1/4 is definately corroded. Probably attack the OS once finished the 1/4 panel.

3 holes, some past owner was a bit drill happy!!!

I was fortunate that I had only one on each side. It is probably the worse bit of non thought that Fiat did on the car, as far as anti corrosion goes. I went for a pop rivet in the end to hold the last hole in place. I think it is the neatest and best solution, much better than a self tapper.
 
That's a good method, unlikely to come loose, just hope you don't need to remove them later as they can be a bugger to drill out sometimes.
I have been checking your 500 out on the other website. Very nice! Bet you can't wait to get it on the road. I have requested permission to write on the site but still waiting for a user name.
Keep up the good work!
 
The rivet goes through quite a lot of material so there is plenty of protection if I do need to drill it out. It will be dry stored and only used in the summer, so fingers crossed it should remain pretty tidy.

Yeah I bit the bullet in the end and bought 4 new wheels, as they are the thing that are really holding me up. Ordered them from Germany on Friday and they turned up today.

It will be good to have another 500 on the other site. There are lots of knowledgable people on there, I think they will really appreciate your workmanship. A trio of Turquoise Blue 500's being restored at the same time, you won't see that very often.
 
Evening gents;
If the sun-roof fixing that you are talking about is the outer 1 (on each side) of the rear sunroof cross beam, I fitted a 5mm 'rivnut' into the roof, sealed round the edges of the rivnut with some flexible sealing strip to prevent water ingress and used a 'button-head' cap-head (Allen head) stainless-steel bolt--it looks neat and tidy and can be easily removed in the future if required. depending on the size of the hole in the roof, you may have to go up to a 6mm rivnut/bolt, but I would not recommend that you go below 5mm.
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Also, just for interest, what is 'the other site' that you are talking about?
 
Morning children;
The company you want to look at is 'MEMFAST'---they have a large range of 'Rivnuts' and 'self tapping steel inserts' (which are great for putting into the cylinder heads where exhaust-manifold bolt threads have been stripped). I have dealt with this company--recommend them. I have also used the 'rivnuts' for fitting the 'group2' wheel arches that I have on my 500 as I am turning it into an 'Abarth 695' replica.
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Hi all,
In preparation for the front of the vehicle, can anyone advise me on how this part is supposed to look?:shrug:


I presume that once the wing is welded on via spot welds/mig plug welds, this joint is either smoothed over or the joint is left exposed and either sealed or brazed.
I cant find any info on it & cant tell from my own vehicle due to the rust.


I have figured out the top joint to the screen pillar as my OS one is original.


Also the joint between the front wing & front panel, is that brazed all the way down? I have seen it on one resto but others just seem to spot/mig the panels and then run sealer down the joint.


any help will be appreciated.
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Sean
 

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Hi Sean, that sure is a whole lot of rust you've got there! The joint in your pic is smoothed over. As for the front panel, you could braze it, but this was not done by the factory (at least not on the New Zealand assembled cars I am familiar with). Love watching your resto.
Cheers
Roger
 
Hi Sean,
All the seams on the front of your 500F model should be open with no brazing.
From factory there was not any sealant used on the front panel joins to the front wings- it should be completely open and was originally spot welded on the inner flanges only.
Keep up the good work- it looks great!
 
Cheers Roger,
I must admit, although i knew how much rust was on it when i bought it, when it arrived home on the back of the lorry i did think "what have i bought, and how am i going to explain this one to the wife". But lucky enough she kind of over looked the rust and said "isn't it small & cute!"
After checking my zip was still done up i agreed and said just you wait to see it when its finished!

Im happier now its got some solid metal going in and showing signs of progress.

Thanks for your reply as i was not certain as so many pictures show the joint visible and others not!

Im glad you are enjoying the resto, plenty more to come!

Thanks
Sean
 
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