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This is Fizzle my 1994 Fizz
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Tom from partsworld said he's lots of panda stuff yet to list on ebay though no 4x4 fuel tanks. Apparently Fiat are selling off the inventory cheap and what doesn't go to dealers gets scrapped
As long as it's available and crucially selling he'll keep buying the stock in and ebaying it - there's even talk of an auto jumble!
What's his shop/name on e-bay?
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I gave a lift to two passengers and the dog the other day and the rear tyres made an awful noise as we went along, that coupled with the one needing blowing up every few days has finally pushed me to change the alloys.
I've got a set of cinquecento alloys which I think will look nice and I remember driving Palio's little light blue panda with them on and being impressed.
Now two of the tyres need replacing so I was thinking do I stick with (goes and has a look in the garage and posts it later 165/55/r13) size that's on or go for a slightly deeper tyre?
I hold my hands up with the last alloys and went against advice and got (to be fair) the only set of tyres the scrappy had and I'm now regretting it.
This time I will listen closely as they will be on for a while.
While I'm on I presume I will need the longer bolts I'm using with current alloys too?
As I mentioned earlier the current alloys will move onto the 4x4 eventually as the offset means they don't foul the filler pipe and without rear seats I won't have the rubbing problem again hopefully.
Picture of snazzy wheels - I think the dice dust caps finish off the half arsed rattle can efforts - saying that it's still a better result than when I use my whole arse
I've got a set of cinquecento alloys which I think will look nice and I remember driving Palio's little light blue panda with them on and being impressed.
Now two of the tyres need replacing so I was thinking do I stick with (goes and has a look in the garage and posts it later 165/55/r13) size that's on or go for a slightly deeper tyre?
I hold my hands up with the last alloys and went against advice and got (to be fair) the only set of tyres the scrappy had and I'm now regretting it.
This time I will listen closely as they will be on for a while.
While I'm on I presume I will need the longer bolts I'm using with current alloys too?
As I mentioned earlier the current alloys will move onto the 4x4 eventually as the offset means they don't foul the filler pipe and without rear seats I won't have the rubbing problem again hopefully.
Picture of snazzy wheels - I think the dice dust caps finish off the half arsed rattle can efforts - saying that it's still a better result than when I use my whole arse
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I gave a lift to two passengers and the dog the other day and the rear tyres made an awful noise as we went along, that coupled with the one needing blowing up every few days has finally pushed me to change the alloys.
I've got a set of cinquecento alloys which I think will look nice and I remember driving Palio's little light blue panda with them on and being impressed.
Now two of the tyres need replacing so I was thinking do I stick with (goes and has a look in the garage and posts it later 165/55/r13) size that's on or go for a slightly deeper tyre?
I hold my hands up with the last alloys and went against advice and got (to be fair) the only set of tyres the scrappy had and I'm now regretting it.
This time I will listen closely as they will be on for a while.
While I'm on I presume I will need the longer bolts I'm using with current alloys too?
As I mentioned earlier the current alloys will move onto the 4x4 eventually as the offset means they don't foul the filler pipe and without rear seats I won't have the rubbing problem again hopefully.
Picture of snazzy wheels - I think the dice dust caps finish off the half arsed rattle can efforts - saying that it's still a better result than when I use my whole arse
I forget now the exact size, but I'm pretty sure they were 175's on mine. This goes against all perceived wisdom, and even VmanC didn't know why they never rubbed - but they didn't!! Going from 135's to 175's turned the car into a real handler - amazing what a bit of extra rubber will achieve!
The car looked like this when he was known as Chiaro - he now belongs to scout but doesn't wear the alloys.
If it helps, I definitely had longer bolts for the alloys - it was quite a problem finding them as I recall (they went onto a 128 originally, until it got written off the same day
Used then for a while on a 903cc 127, and then eventually on Chiaro - all using the slightly longer bolts - it was only a couple of turns longer iirc). 
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Thanks Palio, I'll go 175 then and use the long bolts I have.
It was a great little handler that car and I'm pleased it's gone to scouting for boys
It was a great little handler that car and I'm pleased it's gone to scouting for boys
not having a panda i know not what the clearance issue is... is it width or profile that causes the problems??
the size on it is what cinq sporting had from factory, on a cinq you would/could fit 175/50 or 185/50. And diameter of the wheel and tyre together will only increase by 3mm from what it is now if you fit the 185/50 - but clearly its overall width is bigger.
So depends what the clearance problems are.
Its worth comparing the offset of the wheels, you can use one of the online calculator to workout what the difference in inner and outer arch clearances are between the wheels
http://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Wheel-Offset-Calculator
(Cinq wheels are ET30.5, if someone posts the ET and width of a stock panda wheel i will do the calculation for you )
the size on it is what cinq sporting had from factory, on a cinq you would/could fit 175/50 or 185/50. And diameter of the wheel and tyre together will only increase by 3mm from what it is now if you fit the 185/50 - but clearly its overall width is bigger.
So depends what the clearance problems are.
Its worth comparing the offset of the wheels, you can use one of the online calculator to workout what the difference in inner and outer arch clearances are between the wheels
http://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Wheel-Offset-Calculator
(Cinq wheels are ET30.5, if someone posts the ET and width of a stock panda wheel i will do the calculation for you
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Thanks Palio, I'll go 175 then and use the long bolts I have.
It was a great little handler that car and I'm pleased it's gone to scouting for boys
165/65's would be my choice.
The Lancia alloys will be fine on the 4x4, less suspension travel as well as the extra clearance.
I have the cinq alloys from Chiaro available, they are in great condition with very good matching tyres ready to go! :bang:
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VmanC - I will see how cheap/expensive new rubber will be if it's going to be too much I may go back to steelies and have a change over when I come down.
Fizzle seems awfully low now on the smaller wheels and tyres, must be sitting two inches lower now!
Had a drive round the block over speed humps and full lock forward and reverse and no nasty noises.
The wheels do look a bit lost in the arches now though.
piccies later...
Fizzle seems awfully low now on the smaller wheels and tyres, must be sitting two inches lower now!
Had a drive round the block over speed humps and full lock forward and reverse and no nasty noises.
The wheels do look a bit lost in the arches now though.
piccies later...
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I got busy and changed the dash pod fascia over from the 4x4.
I now have illuminated switches and a clock!
That's Lucy in the passenger seat looking cheesed off as she thought I was taking her for a walk and stuck her in the car instead!
I found out that due to lack of demand the smaller tyre sizes like for like fitting of two tyres would be £115 (nankangs), I may just go back onto steelies for a while....
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Nice cinq rims always look a bit lost with the original rubber on though, smaller than standard.
...lowering would help (and probably cheaper than 4 new tyres):devil:
edit: although 4 new budget sensible tyres look to be not far different from the skinny ones you priced up!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4x-165-65-13-TYRES-165-65-13-PRIMEWELL-PS880-77T-CAR-TYRES-/290610112474?pt=UK_Cars_Tyres_RL&fits=Tyre+Width%3A165%7CAspect+Ratio%3A65%7CDiameter%3A13&hash=item43a9b667da
cinq rims always look a bit lost with the original rubber on though, smaller than standard....lowering would help (and probably cheaper than 4 new tyres):devil:
edit: although 4 new budget sensible tyres look to be not far different from the skinny ones you priced up!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4x-165-65-13-TYRES-165-65-13-PRIMEWELL-PS880-77T-CAR-TYRES-/290610112474?pt=UK_Cars_Tyres_RL&fits=Tyre+Width%3A165%7CAspect+Ratio%3A65%7CDiameter%3A13&hash=item43a9b667da
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Nice
...lowering would help (and probably cheaper than 4 new tyres):devil:
I'm not sure about lowering as it always seems to cause a lot of knock on problems
Fizzles handling is better with these tyres than any others I've tried so far, it does look a bit odd going from the massive boots he's had on to teenie rims.
I may get a pair of part worns for now - everybody's favourite
When I bought Po (light blue one you drove) it came with 500 steelies on. No complaints on handling and fills the arches well. :thumbup:
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I still have a set of alloys for the mk3 which never got further than a test fitting
I'm rapidly running out of room in the garage for anymore alloys/steelies.
VmanC Palio what size tyres where fitted to Po/Cheerio when it had the alloys on?
(I've found the thread - 175/65/13) - certainly seem better looking than the stock tyres on those rims
I still have the dedra/y10 alloys to play with too
Just trying to keep costs down (or not blow the cash I have) until I know I've still got a roof over my head.
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Fizzle looks good on the wheels John, I had these on mine when I first bought it but mine didn't have the inside of the holes painted black, this is a nice touch
It's a shame the Beta wheels had to come off
It's a shame the Beta wheels had to come off
Fizzle looks good on the wheels John, I had these on mine when I first bought it but mine didn't have the inside of the holes painted black, this is a nice touch
I thought that was brake dust!
Looking good though John
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Fizzle looks good on the wheels John, I had these on mine when I first bought it but mine didn't have the inside of the holes painted black, this is a nice touch
It's a shame the Beta wheels had to come off
Well when I go to Vernons I shall come back with a full load, they'll go on the 4x4 eventually
I thought that was brake dust!
Looking good though John
Brake dust! - they are polished to a mirror finish on the flat surface and silky black on the inners. I was going to polish them up for the photo but it's turned a bit chilly so I whimped out.
They remind me of a food processor blade though
Anyway I went to the local vehicle recycling centre (or Piggy's scrappy
) and had a pair of matching nankang doodah's fitted and balanced for two twenty pound notes. I'm legal and safe and can't remember the last time I had matching tyres on all four corners of a used car.
Keep those alloys to one side for me VmanC I can feel the need for fatter tyres reaching epic proportions in a week or two's time
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After a bit of fettling on LVJ the 4x4 Freebo Yet another John asked "Is it always wet under the car".
Now usually it is due to the strange camber of the concrete so I think nothing of it, but this was kinda oily:
Sure enough with the wheel removed (which has a rip in the sidewall :bang
So my only form of legal motorised transport has thrown a hizzy fit.
Funnily enough I noticed something was amiss the other day
I'll take it to the local garage and as long as it's not a silly price and can be done on tuesday they can have the job.
Haynes calls it "diveshaft inboard (tripod) joint gaiter - modified type"
which is exactly what it is. The modified bit is a roller bearing instead of the earlier type bush apparently. Funnily enough I have a spare pair of driveshafts but the gaiters are perished
I'm on a very steep learning curve on this though I knew one day these parts would fail, is it worth getting them all replaced at the same time? inboard/outboard gaiters both sides?
Whaddaya think folks?
Now usually it is due to the strange camber of the concrete so I think nothing of it, but this was kinda oily:
Sure enough with the wheel removed (which has a rip in the sidewall :bang
So my only form of legal motorised transport has thrown a hizzy fit.
Funnily enough I noticed something was amiss the other day
I'll take it to the local garage and as long as it's not a silly price and can be done on tuesday they can have the job.
Haynes calls it "diveshaft inboard (tripod) joint gaiter - modified type"
which is exactly what it is. The modified bit is a roller bearing instead of the earlier type bush apparently. Funnily enough I have a spare pair of driveshafts but the gaiters are perished
I'm on a very steep learning curve on this though I knew one day these parts would fail, is it worth getting them all replaced at the same time? inboard/outboard gaiters both sides?
Whaddaya think folks?
for the price of what they are, you may as well get them all changed.. Talon has had all of his done and the total cost came to about £20 for 4 "universal" CV boot gators.
worth doing right if you are gonna do them. last thing you want to have to do is take all the suspension to bits again to change it all over...
just my thought though..
worth doing right if you are gonna do them. last thing you want to have to do is take all the suspension to bits again to change it all over...
just my thought though..
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Price of the boots isn't an issue, garage labour charges are
Shouldn't take them more than 45min to 1hour to change a pair of boots. And the boots are still obtainable as OEM parts from Fiat, had one changed on Vicky about 10 months ago
