could find an engine for that, my punto75 engine was less than £150 and that had only done 50k and was mint. then fitting is straight forward, apart from the exhaust pipe needing extending, its a bolt for bolt swap. eeeaassssy.
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Maybe if I speak your language you will understand it better Ross, as I see it (no offence here bud BTW) an 899 Cinq compared to a 1242 Cinq is like
Coupe 16V NA to a 20VT!
Liam
Coupe 16V NA to a 20VT!
Liam
how easy is it to fit the 1242 engine in a SPI sei?? know there is lots in the sticky, but only relates to cinq?? is it much hassle?? what insurance group does it bring hte car up to?
its exactly the same to fit it in an spi sei, and it won't put it into an insurance group, it'd be declared a modification - you'd have to ask the insurers what it'd bring it up to
h2ypr said:
First of all forget Piper.
The torque difference between the 1108 and the 1242 gives mid range about 12% more power. A 1242 engine you can get in good condition often for less then £150. Belt and tensione is well under £30. Further modifications on the engine allow you in the region of 90bhp after re-mapping.
Fitting it is quite easy.
Alternatively you can fit the 75 engine, which won't cost you a lot more. The MPI is a good start for quite a bit more power. With induction kit, t/b modification, exhaust and re-map will see you in excess of 90bhp. Further modifications will see you a driveable 110bhp.
If you want to go further you can fit a 16v too, depending on the money you want spend giving you in excess of 120bhp.
The 110bhp Cinquecento 1108 engine n/a conversion is not impossible but it will cost a fair sum and isn't fun to drive on a daily basis.
I spoke to the guy who done the 110bhp cinq 1108 and its not actually that difficult. Probably looking at about £1200 for the engine work. Thats roughly. from 54bhp to 110bhp.
Now £300 for an engine, £300 fitting gives me 6bhp more to work with. Thats half the budget to get to 110bhp with a 1108.
Ross
Now £300 for an engine, £300 fitting gives me 6bhp more to work with. Thats half the budget to get to 110bhp with a 1108.
Ross
well how drivable is that 110 bhp going to be though? if you want to do your choice of engine work then do it.
you asked opinions and got them but its your wedge
you asked opinions and got them but its your wedge
How driveable?
Well i dont see it being worse than a turbo if thats what ya mean. At the end of the day, there is a still a throttle cable. N/a = power not available till high revs. So just keep the revs low.
In all honesty im just trying to see the best option. I have a good little 1108 engine here and if its possible to get that kinda power through it without a turbo then why not? As old school said 90bhp through the 1242 without a turbo. Ok the same work can be done to the 1242 yes, but will it be as effective? I just know that there is a guy who has done it and it worked well.
Ross
Well i dont see it being worse than a turbo if thats what ya mean. At the end of the day, there is a still a throttle cable. N/a = power not available till high revs. So just keep the revs low.
In all honesty im just trying to see the best option. I have a good little 1108 engine here and if its possible to get that kinda power through it without a turbo then why not? As old school said 90bhp through the 1242 without a turbo. Ok the same work can be done to the 1242 yes, but will it be as effective? I just know that there is a guy who has done it and it worked well.
Ross
the small turbos used on the cinqs come on boost very low down the rev range. you could buy the turbo engine in the classifieds today and its all done
as i said its your money but i dont see the snse in starting with the 1108 when you get more starting with the 1242 as your base
as i said its your money but i dont see the snse in starting with the 1108 when you get more starting with the 1242 as your base
custard boy said:the small turbos used on the cinqs come on boost very low down the rev range. you could buy the turbo engine in the classifieds today and its all done
as i said its your money but i dont see the snse in starting with the 1108 when you get more starting with the 1242 as your base
I know what ya mean dude... how much is the turbo engine in classifieds? Im kinda wanting high power and then again im not really. Not being disrespectful, but i got the coupe for all out power. So its not like i need every bhp to count. But i know why your saying the 1242 engine.
Ross
what has been done to this 110bhp 1108 engine, i'm intruiged.
go look in the classifeds.price would be around your budget which is a bargain for what it is:slayer:h2ypr said:
lol 1st you cant be arsed changing a 1242 8v now you want a 1.2 16v
you would be better having a scout round the cinq section at whats been done before.
oldschool runs a cinq with a 1.2 16v
you would be better having a scout round the cinq section at whats been done before.
oldschool runs a cinq with a 1.2 16v
yea, but if a 1242 8v was hassle, than a 16v.. hmmm! It is a lot more work, put it that way
It was a hassle for the bhp difference. Changing the engine now is a good option because i can use/sell the 1108. I know about the alternator clearance and the headlight clearance. Anything else to worry about?
Ross
Ross
fuel, pressure and delivery.
you're going to need the 16v's ECU, wiring loom etc
and a pump capable of more than 1bar. Tom is looking into this atm, i'll see if hes on msn and get him in here.
you're going to need the 16v's ECU, wiring loom etc
and a pump capable of more than 1bar. Tom is looking into this atm, i'll see if hes on msn and get him in here.
