Fiat 500e with an engine?! Yes please.

[The Pretender]

Although it will not be the fastest one with 71 hp/52 kW engine, but at least it's not a Peugeot engine, making it the last real FIAT with ICE engine.

And maybe there is a very small change there will also be a Abarth 500 Mild Hybrid with the FIAT GSE-Firefly 1.5 Hybrid VGT 160 hp TCT engine in it.
Because like the electric FIAT 500e, the electric Abarth 500e is also not selling..

 

[The Pretender]

Oh no... I don't like the look of that gearstick :-( I hope the Fiat engineers handled that bit, never had much complaint with the Panda's but the DS3 gearbox wasn't great

Don't worry, no Peugeot sh#t in the Italian build FIAT 500 Mild Hybrid, just real FIAT GSE-Firefly engine and FIAT gearbox.

 

[The Pretender]

Unlike the Grande Panda, which is a full Peugeot/Citroën, is this not the case with the 500 Hybrid. Which makes the 500 Hybrid the only real new FIAT left.

 

[PuntoHowTo]

. Which makes the 500 Hybrid the only real new FIAT left.

except it uses the same platform as the 500x and grande Punto which was a GM/Fiat collaboration…. The hybrid tech is not of fiats own design

Aside from that, it’s the only “real” new fiat left.

Clearly a car made to satisfy the Italian market who don’t worry too much about features or power and only care about how cheap a car is.

 

[varesecrazy]

except it uses the same platform as the 500x and grande Punto which was a GM/Fiat collaboration…. The hybrid tech is not of fiats own design

The EV Kit was made in Italy, and unique to FIAT

Not sure of the Hybrid heritage.. , the petrol engine was FIAT Powertrain development
Brazil @2012

Interested to see more

The PSA kit was of Dutch Design IIRC

 

[SB1500]

If Fiat had kept up development of this tech / platform of the 500e and put it into a Panda much sooner.. and other models.. who knows where they’d be now. I think most things came to a halt internally the second this PSA merger became a serious plan…

Fiat can do a really good job in engineering when they try. Not all brands, no matter how ambitious, have that going for them..

 

[The Pretender]

The PSA merger is being a big mistake, IMHO.
Before that there were Renault - FIAT Chrysler Merger plans, that would be a better merger, IMHO.

 

[SB1500]

The PSA merger is being a big mistake, IMHO.
Before that there were Renault - FIAT Chrysler Merger plans, that would be a better merger, IMHO.

I don't think it's a forever move. I think it was necessary with the political climate and EV mandate, but even with decent adoption I think it's already becoming apparent that EVs are not the solution and to my understanding anyone whose bought one that isn't retired tends to love it initially, then conclude that they won't buy one again next time. A couple of ones I know who got them from work have already went back to ICE alternatives. I think that says a lot when people with the money and extra incentive who can afford them and were open to, hand them back...

As soon as Fiat gets a chance it will break off again and maybe leave the chaff behind and take only the brands it cares about (The Italian ones). I don't think Chrysler and its side held up much of its end of the bargain over the last decade in regards to the US. Now they can leave it with PSA to try and fail in their own time in the US market.

We can only hope.. anyway.

 

[The Pretender]

 

[The Pretender]

 

[The Pretender]

Apparently the new 500 Ibrida will cost € 18000,- in Italy, it should be low priced, and that is why it only get the GSE Firefly 999cc 3 cylinder with 71 hp.

 

[SB1500]

Apparently the new 500 Ibrida will cost € 18000,- in Italy, it should be low priced, and that is why it only get the GSE Firefly 999cc 3 cylinder with 71 hp.

A dealer here in the UK told me we're only getting an automatic option so I doubt we'll get a basic, cheap version. Q3 / Q4 for us.

 

[The Pretender]

This is the new Fiat 500 with gasoline engine (and this is how much it costs)​

The Fiat 500 Hybrid should help sales get back on track.

It took 5 years, but the 'new' Fiat 500e is now getting a combustion engine.
This was not initially the plan, otherwise of course it would have come earlier.
But yes, the Fiat 500th didn't run as fast as they had hoped. Production has even been shut down several times.

That is now a thing of the past, because the Fiat 500 Hybrid is here.
This is not a real hybrid, like the Aygo X Hybrid, but just a mild hybrid.
This drivetrain comes linea recta from the old Fiat 500, with the well-known 1.0 three-pitter.
Fiat does not yet communicate power, but we bet it still delivers 70 hp.

The fact that Fiat has spooned this drivetrain into the 500 means that you also have to or can shift gears yourself.
The old 500 Hybrid was only available with a manual gearbox, and Fiat made no effort to change that.
Do you want a vending machine?
Then you have to take the 500e.

In terms of appearance, the differences with the electric 500e are nil.
Only an extra cooling slot under the 500 logo on the nose betrays that this car has an internal combustion engine.
The exhaust is hidden behind the rear bumper.

The key question is: how much will the new Fiat 500 Hybrid cost?
Fiat does not reveal that yet, but Automotive News reports a price tag of €17,000.
Before you run to the dealer: that's the international price.
In the Netherlands, there will be about €5,000 in BPM Tax on top, so count on about 22 thousand.

Is that a lot of money for an A-segmenter?
Yes, but you don't have a Picanto or an i10 for less than 20k.
And the Fiat 500 has never been the cheapest.
So that doesn't have to stand in the way of the success of the 500 Hybrid.
And you are just at least 7 thousand cheaper than with a 500e.

 

[SB1500]

Wow, the 500e with an engine is exciting. No doubt it'll be pricy for what it is, but Fiat has been this way for a while and it's keeping the lights on, and isn't deterring buyers so why not.

Didn't know Toyota finally gave the Aygo proper hybrid tech, good to know as I like the idea of going back down to the A-segment. Yaris didn't really impress me or seem much of a better experience for the step up in price. But I like the hybrid stuff.

Has Fiat not confirmed the engine for the 500e yet - Fiat design, fire fly? or .... PSA unit ..

 

[StevenRB45]

Believe they are recycling the firefly hybrid from the old Panda to create the slowest new car available, except perhaps the 45bhp Dacia Spring.

Basically they need something to keep the factory that makes the firefly engines open as no other Fiats that use them are still being made. So two birds one stone, factory stays open without a costly re-tool for the foreseeable and this gets an engine.

Press release confirmation.

A New Chapter Begins at Mirafiori with the Fiat 500 Hybrid: 5,000 Units Planned by 2025

Production of the new Fiat 500 Hybrid will officially begin this November at the Mirafiori Carrozzerie plant, with 5,000 units targeted by year-end.

www.media.stellantis.com

 

[The Pretender]

Wow, the 500e with an engine is exciting. No doubt it'll be pricy for what it is, but Fiat has been this way for a while and it's keeping the lights on, and isn't deterring buyers so why not.

Didn't know Toyota finally gave the Aygo proper hybrid tech, good to know as I like the idea of going back down to the A-segment. Yaris didn't really impress me or seem much of a better experience for the step up in price. But I like the hybrid stuff.

Has Fiat not confirmed the engine for the 500e yet - Fiat design, fire fly? or .... PSA unit ..

999cc Firefly 3 cilinder engine.

 

[The Pretender]

 

[The Pretender]

I really like the fact there is a 500 with ICE again, sadly enough it's the bare minimum engine solution.
Would like to see the 120 hp 3T Firefly engine in it, maybe as a 500 Sport version.
Don't know if a 1332cc 4T Firefly 150 hp engine will fit, as a Abarth version.

 

[StevenRB45]

They needed something low cost to replace the nuova 500. At present their best selling cars in Italy were the old model 500 and Panda. The Panda has been updated to the Pandina to keep that factory open for now...the 500e has been given the engine and drive train from the old 500. Italy doesn't buy electric so they had to replace those to keep what is a very big market share.

It's best to think of these cars as Italian equivalent of Kei cars..in Italy they will be everywhere, everywhere else they will be niche at best if sold at all (the 500 might sell well given they seemed to do ok in the UK despite being ancient) and the price walk between one of these and the turbo 3 grande Panda which can actually keep up with traffic is very small.