Technical Ducato P0401 P0402 P0236 P0238 and limp mode its 2017 Euro 6, EGR changed, What do I check next

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Technical Ducato P0401 P0402 P0236 P0238 and limp mode its 2017 Euro 6, EGR changed, What do I check next

Thanks @Fredastaire for the reply. I'm getting the idea of the system. I'm glad to hear the temperature sensor fault isn't coming on; that's what worries me most.

I've had the DPF cleaned, which apparently wasn't broken. I'll let you know when I receive it. I've also ordered a turbo cartridge for repair
 
This is an impressive thread! I have a lot of respect for everyone here! Sadly it looks like i'm also joining the party...

Symptoms:
P0401-61 Error intermittent.
Sooty Exhaust
Occasional Limp mode/ no acceleration uphill, but ok downhill.
Drives fine when codes are cleared.

Would anyone be able to take a look at my 30min drive Multiecuscan data? I set up the parameters as posted earlier in the thread, but i'm not smart enough to know what to look for.

Does a new DPF & EGR cooler really cost 6K+?
 

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This is an impressive thread! I have a lot of respect for everyone here! Sadly it looks like i'm also joining the party...

Symptoms:
P0401-61 Error intermittent.
Sooty Exhaust
Occasional Limp mode/ no acceleration uphill, but ok downhill.
Drives fine when codes are cleared.

Would anyone be able to take a look at my 30min drive Multiecuscan data? I set up the parameters as posted earlier in the thread, but i'm not smart enough to know what to look for.

Does a new DPF & EGR cooler really cost 6K+?

Hi @Larryinkernow First of all welcome to the forum. Unfortunately, it does appear you have joined the party. You have noted the symptoms that point to that, and you have captured the critical data with MES to back up your suspicions.

You have not stated what HP variant of the twin EGR engine you have, nor the SW version number of the ECU. Judging by the measured parameter set, you have either a 150HP or 180HP engine. It would also help to know a bit about the history of the vehicle - like current odometer, are you the original owner, past history of any issues, modifications or parts replacements etc.

Let’s cut to the chase. The graph below is a 215 second snapshot from the end part of your journey with a relatively constant speed of around 100kph. The engine temp was at normal operating temperature for the entire journey and is at 84C on the inserted vertical reference line. From the graph, the temperature of the gas at the entrance to the LPEGR cooler is the Temperature after the particle filter which is some 374C. The LPEGR valve is constantly fully open at 4.7mm so there should be a considerable hot LPEGR gas flow, yet the LPEGR temperature is below the engine coolant temperature – only 77C. Corresponding with this is the MAP temperature is low at 44C for this motor. This indicates that there is little to no LPEGR gas flow - most likely caused by a blocked LPEGR cooler. The MAP temperature can be seen to rise slightly coincident with the brief opening of the HPEGR valve as expected.

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Graph below is of same period showing the actual boost not tracking desired boost as it should be in comparison to a good reference engine. This is likely due to restricted input gas flows due to the blocked cooler. The throttle valve opening and O2 parameters look normal.

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Same period in below graph but just showing intake air. It is interesting to note that the actual air intake quantity is higher than the desired air intake quantity. Why? Does this point towards another possible issue with the operation of the LPEGR valve, or MAF sensor, or something else? I have not included any other graphs, but all other parameters appear to be OK – the total and desired fuel quantities match, the actual and desired turbo positions match, the HPEGR and LPEGR valves desired and actual positions match, and all other parameters look normal, including the DPF differential pressure.

So, it appears obvious that the LPEGR cooler is blocked, but there is also a reported higher than desired fresh filtered air intake. Is this caused by a faulty MAF sensor, or is it somehow a malfunction of the LPEGR valve, or something else going on? Relatively easy and cheap to replace the MAF sensor, I guess. But it looks like a new DPF and LPEGR cooler and an inspection of the inlet tract and intercooler for soot buildup.

The next thing to do would be to check a few other parameters – the important ones being the Injector Correction values for each injector. This measurement is only valid on a fully warm engine at idle.

Below you will find a suggested parameter list to check. I suggest you begin recording before you start the engine. Begin with a cold engine, drive normally to warm it up to correct operating temperature and then do a run of constant 100kph if you can. At the end of the drive, keep the engine idling for about 20 seconds and then stop the recording process.

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Hi @Larryinkernow, welcome to our club, I'm the guy who initiated this mega posting.
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You asked about cost. The DPF appears on Coastal motorhomes eBay site at circa £3500 ish, coolers can be cleaned out with caustic. Fitting is either garage on a H ramp for say 12 hours work or can be done DIY if you are very very competent. I have email notes from one of our members which I'm thinking of tidying up a little for publishing however only with his permission.
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The cooler is hidden from sight being bolted to the engine block before other parts, you can't see it from top or bottom, access needs the subframe dropping off and DPF removal.
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For others reading this latest saga, Larry's Ducato has turbo positioning actual and desired, this does denote the 150/ 180 model as the 130 has the simpler turbo (fixed vane).
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I'm surviving with now it's second replacement cooler. I'm considering bypassing the air feed pipe to the cooler, alas a bad back is stopping further investigation.
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There are aftermarket DPFs on eBay from Germany however currently nobody is trialling.
 
Hello everyone.
I'm leaving you some photos of how I'm trying to override the LPEGR system. Unfortunately, I don't have a turbo, and it'll take a while to assemble and test the van.
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@Dexron That looks like you have an excellent solution there. I assume you are fitting a pipe from your new flange to the air filter - is that correct?
I also see that you are still leaving the cooler in the vehicle with the LPEGR temperature probe inserted in the blanking cap. If that is correct, I am wondering that instead of refitting the cooler, why not leave it out completely and just connect the water inlet and outlet from the engine block together with a piece of hose with a simple metal pipe joiner piece that you could fit the LPEGR temperature probe into - measuring engine coolant temperature directly. What do you think?
 
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@DJS, I'll initially remove the tube from the top of the gearbox. Then I'll figure out how to connect it to the intake manifold in a decent way, or I'll install a separate air filter (like the one in the photo), although it might be too noisy when I open the EGR.
I'm not removing the cooler because I find it difficult to connect the water inlet and outlet easily. The same tube that enters the cooler is shaped to fit the turbocharger cooling system, so installing the cooler is the easiest way. I've installed caps to keep out dirt and allow me to return to the factory system if necessary, but I only need to cover the DPF outlet.
 

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Thanks Deejays; to answer further questions:

HP variant: 150HP
SW version: 028.
mileage: 84k

Van is an ex enterprise rental, commercial minibus. No service history sadly, but hasn't missed a beat since i owned it since Jan 2024.

In a nutshell. Had the van booked for a full service. Engine light came on the day before. I had a full service inc new air filter last week, asked them to read the codes. Garage said they were 2 old codes, one said p0401 egr solenoid valve signal circulation not ok (other code was unrelated.) After the service the van felt intermittently more sluggish. EML came straight back on. Then full limp mode a few days later.

I then found this thread, got MES, check codes and got the HP EGR error.
 
Thanks Deejays; to answer further questions:

HP variant: 150HP
SW version: 028.
mileage: 84k

Van is an ex enterprise rental, commercial minibus. No service history sadly, but hasn't missed a beat since i owned it since Jan 2024.

In a nutshell. Had the van booked for a full service. Engine light came on the day before. I had a full service inc new air filter last week, asked them to read the codes. Garage said they were 2 old codes, one said p0401 egr solenoid valve signal circulation not ok (other code was unrelated.) After the service the van felt intermittently more sluggish. EML came straight back on. Then full limp mode a few days later.

I then found this thread, got MES, check codes and got the HP EGR error.
OK, thanks for the feedback and information. I suggest you apply the parameter template as I have suggested above and post the CSV file. You have the same engine I have and mine is (still) in excellent condition, so we have a good comparison basis. You will find a CSV file I posted on my engine a few pages back if you want to have a look. Mine was originally running V24 , but I have updated it to V32.
 
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