Technical Ducato could not start

[kingkong333]

Hi. My fiat ducato 2014. Could not start after the warning lights of the car&keypad shown on the dashboard..i Google which mean fiat code system failures. I don't have spare key also the ignition switch is a bit loose and my key fob is not look healthy (broken). I turn on the switch i can hear it crank but won't start. Anyone hv similar problems please help.

 

[varesecrazy]

Hi

Your van will be trying to read the CODE

there is a CHIP inside the key.. and an aerial next to the ignition lock barrel

It sounds like you have a problem..

If you only have 1 key.. that may mean you also dont have the necessary CODE from Fiat for an emergency start..

Please tell us more

What van..what motor and what year

A photo of the key will help heaps

 

[kingkong333]

Hi

Your van will be trying to read the CODE

there is a CHIP inside the key.. and an aerial next to the ignition lock barrel

It sounds like you have a problem..

If you only have 1 key.. that may mean you also dont have the necessary CODE from Fiat for an emergency start..

Please tell us more

What van..what motor and what year

A photo of the key will help heaps

Hi. Thx u for the reply. Actually Fiat ducato 2015 motorhome 3.0
Engine # 2023081
Recently just changed starter motor in July.
I try to get fix now no one wants to fix because near xmas.

 

[varesecrazy]

To smash the key case like that.. the internals may well be damaged

Have you got any of the CODE paperwork?
( sometimes on a 'bankcard' format)

 

[kingkong333]

To smash the key case like that.. the internals may well be damaged

Have you got any of the CODE paperwork?
( sometimes on a 'bankcard' format)

Unfortunately i bought from the auction. I will check in the booklet. If there is no code. Can we bypass the system? Or i get someone to fix and clean the key fob?

 

[Communicator]

Since the vehicle was bought at an auction, its detailed history will be an unknown.

When code problems are encountered, a fix that is sometimes used is to remove the chip from the key, and glue it inside the steering column shroud, so as to be closer to the aeriel.

If this was the case and the chip has become unstuck, this would explain the problem. If my memory serves me correctly, @bugsymike had a story to tell about this practice.

 

[bugsymike]

As Communicator mentioned above, I have come across this issue in fleet vehicles where different drivers were frequently breaking the expensive keys the workshop managers would secure the chip which deactivates the immobiliser to the antenae ring permanently and move it to a "safe" place, then they could just have a cheap plain key cut.
In your case if you have been driving the vehicle with no problem up until now then I would assume the chip has only just become lost/dropped out. So I would do a very intense search for the chip which is a black and about only 10mm long roughly, if you can find it , that will save you a lot of time and money!!!
Apart from that remove the cowling around the ignition lock and confirm whether or not the antaenae ring is in it's correct position or has been moved, this will help in your attempt to locate the chip.
If you are lucky enough to find the chip, go to a locksmith and get two good quality keys made with chips so both will start the vehicle and put one in a safe place.
In my case it was in a Iveco Daily Crew cab pickup with the 2.8 Sofim engine as used by the older Ducato, it had a Bosch MS6.9 ECU I think, at the time both local dealers wanted over a £1000 to fix the problem after I had towed the vehicle 30 miles to them!
I was able to locate an ECU repairer who was able to disable the immobiliser side of the ECU for £137 including postage I seem to recall, obviously given the value of your vehicle you may not want to go that route. It also involved disconnecting the antenae ring plug and the Immobiliser ECU which talks to the the engine ECU before reassembly.
The Main Dealers said they had to talk to Italy Fiat with all vehicle details to reprogram the ECU etc. at the time which could take several weeks.
So what ever route you choose to go , firstly have a very good search for the original chip!!! Sorry, this is what you are looking for I think .

 

[kingkong333]

As Communicator mentioned above, I have come across this issue in fleet vehicles where different drivers were frequently breaking the expensive keys the workshop managers would secure the chip which deactivates the immobiliser to the antenae ring permanently and move it to a "safe" place, then they could just have a cheap plain key cut.
In your case if you have been driving the vehicle with no problem up until now then I would assume the chip has only just become lost/dropped out. So I would do a very intense search for the chip which is a black and about only 10mm long roughly, if you can find it , that will save you a lot of time and money!!!
Apart from that remove the cowling around the ignition lock and confirm whether or not the antaenae ring is in it's correct position or has been moved, this will help in your attempt to locate the chip.
If you are lucky enough to find the chip, go to a locksmith and get two good quality keys made with chips so both will start the vehicle and put one in a safe place.
In my case it was in a Iveco Daily Crew cab pickup with the 2.8 Sofim engine as used by the older Ducato, it had a Bosch MS6.9 ECU I think, at the time both local dealers wanted over a £1000 to fix the problem after I had towed the vehicle 30 miles to them!
I was able to locate an ECU repairer who was able to disable the immobiliser side of the ECU for £137 including postage I seem to recall, obviously given the value of your vehicle you may not want to go that route. It also involved disconnecting the antenae ring plug and the Immobiliser ECU which talks to the the engine ECU before reassembly.
The Main Dealers said they had to talk to Italy Fiat with all vehicle details to reprogram the ECU etc. at the time which could take several weeks.
So what ever route you choose to go , firstly have a very good search for the original chip!!! Sorry, this is what you are looking for I think .
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Thx u for the information. I went to locksmith and they tested and said the key still sending frequency though then i called the dealership so they ask me to order a new key so they will get the code but they fully booked until march next year . But if my keys still working how can i get the code from ? Anyone?

 

[kingkong333]

Hi

Your van will be trying to read the CODE

there is a CHIP inside the key.. and an aerial next to the ignition lock barrel

It sounds like you have a problem..

If you only have 1 key.. that may mean you also dont have the necessary CODE from Fiat for an emergency start..

Please tell us more

What van..what motor and what year

A photo of the key will help heaps

Now i found the code in the booklet so what to do next

 

[bugsymike]

Thx u for the information. I went to locksmith and they tested and said the key still sending frequency though then i called the dealership so they ask me to order a new key so they will get the code but they fully booked until march next year . But if my keys still working how can i get the code from ? Anyone?

Assuming locksmith was testing the immobiliser frequency (not just the door unlock signal) then it may be worth checking in another direction, possible low battery voltage/wiring/earthing points etc. as I see on your original post your code read showed multiple errors, rather than just the immobiliser warning.
Dealership doesn't sound very good!!!

 

[varesecrazy]

There should be procedure to input that CODE to start the engine..

BUT... it then wont recognise the key until reset

However might mean you can drive it to another garage..