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Does this include msn ?
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Does this include msn ?
Looks like it covers all email accounts, probably not messanger programs.
Better be carefull, big brothers watching you
They're going to need some amount of hard drive space if three billion e-mails are thought to be sent each day in the UK. I wonder how many people they would need to read them all
And of course, we pay for the great idea...
"To help set up the system the government may end up paying ISPs between £25m and £70m."
Better be carefull, big brothers watching you
They're going to need some amount of hard drive space if three billion e-mails are thought to be sent each day in the UK. I wonder how many people they would need to read them all
And of course, we pay for the great idea...
"To help set up the system the government may end up paying ISPs between £25m and £70m."
ooh does this mean i can request all the info the goverment have upon me?
In Scotland you have the right to access any information held by Scottish public authorities. Don't know if that means you can request what the government has on you though.
Not necessarily. If the government deem that the information you request is something that could be related to threats to the country, its economic well being, citizens etc it can reasonably deny you the information.
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Don't for a second believe that the final ruling will be specific enough to explicitly state email and nothing else. Remember, the government is on record saying that they want these powers not because they want to be intrusive but because it levels the playing field for them, to make things like it was before the days of the internet. If you believe them they only want this so they can evolve with technology. Which leaves the door open for this to include lots more in the future.
Which, incidentally, is a flawed argument. Before the Internet was around the police never had the power to know when exactly someone had had a conversation and with whom. If they wanted that they had to either put someone under surveillance and get it first hand or apply for the appropriate permission to get wire taps on phones. That's the crucial difference, under this law they can just call up the info as it suits them without any sort of official permission, just permission from within their respective security organisations, not the judiciary.
I see your point jnoiles. But I don't believe it will work, it is an infringement of your rights, it's general surviallence and it will only lead to people encrypting their emails and other forms of electronic communication.
Not just because people have something to hide but just to make things awkward for the government.
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would it be better if they stuck a camera on my head. that way they can invade my privacy 24/7...
would it be better if they stuck a camera on my head. that way they can invade my privacy 24/7...
I don't know, maybe it would make some good T.V, better than some of the crap they put on
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I don't know, maybe it would make some good T.V, better than some of the crap they put on
lol
wouldn't it so...Doesn't matter. We live in NuLabour's Britain. Encryption is legally worthless in the UK. RIPA part III which is law right now, requires you to present information to the relevant authority or security service in a clearly readable form. Or to put it another way, you need to turn over your encryption keys to the authorities when they raid you, take your PC, find an encrypted file and demand to know what's inside that file.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act
Yeah, that's scary. Failure to comply could result in an automatic 2 year prison sentence. But it's still an infringment of your rights. There are a number of issues resulting RIPA part III; the most obvious being that this is essentially an assumption of guilt. For example what would happen in instances where someone may have forgotten their password? In short, the stark reality is that they would go to jail. Or what if I disliked you and decided to plant a file with a suspicious name on your computer, encrypt it and then call the police? When they find they file and your unable to comply with the password, voila, you go to jail.
What ever happened to the right to remain silent?
We have RIPSA in Scotland, probably much the same as RIPA.
It just seems to me they're using a hammer to swat a fly.
Will they start reading all the letters we send by Royal Mail?
This nanny state annoys me... I have to go to the counter to buy coffee because some low lifes chooses to steal it rather than pay for it. I have to provide ID to prove i'm old enough to buy a set of kitchen knives because some low lifes have bought them before to stab people.
It's not my fault, so why should I be inconvenienced?
It just seems to me they're using a hammer to swat a fly.
Will they start reading all the letters we send by Royal Mail?
This nanny state annoys me... I have to go to the counter to buy coffee because some low lifes chooses to steal it rather than pay for it. I have to provide ID to prove i'm old enough to buy a set of kitchen knives because some low lifes have bought them before to stab people.
It's not my fault, so why should I be inconvenienced?
Yeah, that's scary. Failure to comply could result in an automatic 2 year prison sentence. But it's still an infringment of your rights. There are a number of issues resulting RIPA part III; the most obvious being that this is essentially an assumption of guilt. For example what would happen in instances where someone may have forgotten their password? In short, the stark reality is that they would go to jail. Or what if I disliked you and decided to plant a file with a suspicious name on your computer, encrypt it and then call the police? When they find they file and your unable to comply with the password, voila, you go to jail.
What ever happened to the right to remain silent?
Infringement of rights or not, it's law now. And yes, forgotten passwords are a huge problem. As are old machines, outdated software and storage media, key escrow, the storage or transit of files you're not in charge or aware of and a host of other nightmarish scenarios that could ensnare an innocent person. And if they suspect - not prove - that the info in the encrypted files is in relation to a serious crime (child porn, terrorism threat, etc) the mandatory sentence can be 5 years.
And you can't argue with the government about stuff like this because if you do they use one of two weapons on you. They either say 'if you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to worry about' or they say 'we're fighting a war on terror, if you object to these you must support terrorism'. So its a no win really. Until we get rid of a government that thinks it can do as its pleases we're stuck with this sort of idiotic decision making.
