Coronavirus - The Thread :(

[gar074]

Don't worry about it, you have to do it and under the current rules its perfectly allowed.

This. If you're travelling there by car, I don't see why it matters whether he's 40 miles away, or just 4.

The chances of being interrogated by the police about your movements are slim to zero (this might change if there is a further tightening of the rules) as people are still being allowed to travel to work, if they can't work from home. And in the unlikely event that you are stopped, you have a perfectly valid reason, as Andy said.

My experience today, in the wilds of NE Suffolk with no near neighbours, is that I've seen more people walking along the footpath at the bottom of my field than you'd normally see on a sunny bank holiday. Funny how, if you tell people they have to stay in, they get this desperate urge to go for a walk!

 

[Cinq999]

I was speaking with a couple of mates of mine today who are Police, and they said from what they've been told, there's no need to stop vehicles in general, as travel to supermarkets/medical needs/vulnerable/work is still permitted.

They said the only time they may consider stopping a vehicle is if it's travelling late at night.... the likelihood of it being a "necessary" journey is a lot lower being that most places are shut.

They've been told their priority is to stop people congregating....they're still having reports of people having loads of friends round for a BBQ in the back garden.

Personally, I'd have no issue driving any distance to help a vulnerable person....if I don't come into contact with anyone else, I don't see the issue.

However I think the restrictions will get tighter.... purely because some people completely ignore the direction, and others try and push it to the limit....and so like Europe, written permission will be needed.

I was going to go for a 1/2 hour cycle along the canal this afternoon..... normally quiet and empty....went down there today....my local towns high street on market day is less busy!!

 

[judderbar]

How can you only have 20 critical cases but then over 50 deaths in one day.

I agree the data must be wrong. However on the subject of being wrong what was it you were saying about air conditioning testing?

 

[PuntoHowTo]

I agree the data must be wrong. However on the subject of being wrong what was it you were saying about air conditioning testing?

Obviously you're remembering something petty and pathetic that I couldn't care less about.

In this instance, you're quoting irrelevant figures, that's all i'm calling out. as of today another 87 new deaths (only apparently 20 critical cases, so well done to your everso accurate website) I don't think any of those people, their family or their friends care about anything else you want to bitch about at the moment, I certainly don't, maybe its time to realign your priorities.

 

[ben]

How can you only have 20 critical cases but then over 50 deaths in one day.

Sadly that could be because once you die, you are no longer critical.

 

[DaveMcT]

With long life milk, tinned foods, large bags of loose tea, flour egg powder he could manage a few months without your visits. Just load up with long life foods and if the police want to be c***s about it just pay the fine. Myself I would ask the local police if they can give me something that supports the trip and I would video the fully laden car before leaving with some kind of evidence of the trip's purpose, and so on the return trip i would worry less. If go to your police station they would be required to log why you came which could help you if you went to court.

Good idea, but are the police really concerned about a car with just a driver? A car full of people on the other hand...

 

[PuntoHowTo]

Sadly that could be because once you die, you are no longer critical.

its been showing 20 for the last few days, Critical care units in the UK are filling up rapidly, way more than 20 people in a critical state currently, even just in my region.

But this statistic is irrelevant if comparing one country to another. Cases and deaths are the main statistic to take from this sort of site as they are verifiable, due to there being officially published figures.

 

[DaveMcT]

To ensure people adhere to the social distancing rules, the authorities should ban showering and bathing!

Such niceties never stopped "the great unwashed" before soap was invented.

 

[ben]

But this statistic is irrelevant if comparing one country to another. Cases and deaths are the main statistic to take from this sort of site as they are verifiable, due to there being officially published figures.

I've just been using Wikipedia to keep up to date

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic

You can click the country name on the right hand side which brings up all their charts and whatnot.

 

[Reg 65]

Problem is we don't know the number of cases because so few people are tested. A study by Oxford University just published in the Financial Times suggests half the population could be already infected, but only about 1 in 1000 develops symptoms severe enough to need hospital treatment. This contradicts the Imperial College study on which Government policy is based, But without mass testing we don't know which study is correct.

 

[DaveMcT]

No it’s not, the flu is an influenza virus (hence the name) it is not a corona virus!! People repeatedly make this mistake but it is wrong !

Also there are more than one type of antibiotics, resistance won’t spring up over night.

Other than going to a virologist, it's impossible to confirm if influenza is a type of corona virus or not. But it does cause similar symptoms, mutates rapidly and it is zoonotic so there seem to be more similarities than differences. The H1N1 of 1918-1920 hit in three waves of mutations taking out the young, the old and the 20s to 35s. Wave 1 was mild. Wave 2 hit all ages and was responsible for cytokine storms in young adults. Wave three hits after the war had ended. The different social cirrmstances prevented it from taking hold to the same degree. Covid-19 has already shown signs of a second mutation that hits harder.

Opportunistic bacterial infections are ok for now, but if we do get into health system overload the risk of multi resistance strep, staph, etc will rise rapidly. Amoxycillin is already useless for many people, but in UK it's the standard first line. It wont work adequately and the remaining bugs will then be even more resistant. It's not hard to see how things will go.

We are far from over this epidemic yet the NHS is already showing signs of overload. We still do not have cov-19 tests for medical staff so they either self isolate adding to the pressure or they pass on the disease. We are told that F1 teams are making ventilators. If anyone can do it quickly they can, but will they be quick enough to make any difference?

 

[PuntoHowTo]

Other than going to a virologist, it's impossible to confirm if influenza is a type of corona virus or not.

No its not impossible, anyone looking at the literature can quickly see that the flu is an influenza virus, where at covid19 is a corona virus. They come from completely different families of virus, if you want to be technical the flu is from the Orthomyxoviridae family and covid19 is from the Orthocoronavirinae family of viruses. This is all easy to look up.

Also my wife is a doctor and holds a masters in tropical medicine and a degree in microbiology I also have a degree in a medical field, i've been reading medical texts, journals and information for more than 10 years, so i'm getting pretty good at understanding how to look this stuff up and making sense of it. I am not looking up videos on youtube for my information.

But it does cause similar symptoms, mutates rapidly and it is zoonotic so there seem to be more similarities than differences. The H1N1 of 1918-1920 hit in three waves of mutations taking out the young, the old and the 20s to 35s. Wave 1 was mild. Wave 2 hit all ages and was responsible for cytokine storms in young adults. Wave three hits after the war had ended. The different social cirrmstances prevented it from taking hold to the same degree. Covid-19 has already shown signs of a second mutation that hits harder.

Viruses "mutate" for every new host they infect. The current thinking is there is an S type and an L type to the covid 19 virus but at the moment we know little about the differences other than they appears at about the same time, The S-type being the original speicies jumping virus and the L type appearing shortly after, we do not know specifically which one is the worst to get, but the L-type is thought to be the easiest to transmit, we don't know the severity of symptoms caused by one type compared to the other...

I am not commenting on anything to do with the spanish flu or the history of that, because Covid 19 is NOT A FLU VIRUS

Opportunistic bacterial infections are ok for now, but if we do get into health system overload the risk of multi resistance strep, staph, etc will rise rapidly. Amoxycillin is already useless for many people, but in UK it's the standard first line. It wont work adequately and the remaining bugs will then be even more resistant. It's not hard to see how things will go.

Opportunistic infection is a real problem with this virus its filling lungs with fluid, fluid and warm lungs is a nice place for bacteria to live, however there are more antibiotics than Amoxycillin. That said amox and Co-amox is pretty much ok for the general population who pick up an infection, there are also plenty of other antibiotics that they can use if needed.

[dramatic music] [stare into the distance]
We are far from over this epidemic yet the NHS is already showing signs of overload. We still do not have cov-19 tests for medical staff so they either self isolate adding to the pressure or they pass on the disease. We are told that F1 teams are making ventilators. If anyone can do it quickly they can, but will they be quick enough to make any difference?

This seems a little over the top, and just copies what we can all read in the press

 

[eramosa]

So far in the province of Ontario, Canada, we have approximately 700 confirmed cases, 8 deceased, and over a 1000 under investigation. we are for the most part under volunteered isolation. The roads are eerily quiet, many business are shut down, restaurants are take out only, it is a very serious situation financially as well as and more importantly being cognitive of the health and welfare of our neighbors. Unprecedented to say the least.

 

[judderbar]

Obviously you're remembering something petty and pathetic that I couldn't care less about.

In this instance, you're quoting irrelevant figures, that's all i'm calling out. as of today another 87 new deaths (only apparently 20 critical cases, so well done to your everso accurate website) I don't think any of those people, their family or their friends care about anything else you want to bitch about at the moment, I certainly don't, maybe its time to realign your priorities.

Very interesting and your wifes a doctor. @g8rpi


Meanwhile being a data driven guy, I added two data points to the guardians graph

And as I am sure you already know there is no covid-19 virus. Probably when the dust has settled in this story we will find out more about why it was decided to go with the Covid-19 illness name and obfuscate the clearly SARS nature of the subsequently named SARS-COV-2 Virus. WHO said they did not want to descriminate against Asian countries and for other reasons. (possibly world panic and economic depression and so forth)

I feel very strongly that if people want to empathise the danger of the virus they should call the virus with the correct name.

 

[PuntoHowTo]

Very interesting and your wifes a doctor. g8rpi


Meanwhile being a data driven guy, I added two data points to the guardians graph

I’m pretty certain Robert knows that..

Meanwhile I can see one obvious problem with your graph why can’t you? Or was it intentional to Find a graph to say what you wanted? Weird that you chose to post a picture rather than a link to the site.......?

Not that any of this has anything to do with your initial claims about the number of critical cases being important, or did you choose to forget about that.

Well same data, different graph, and different outcome....
Shows the uk has a higher increase in the death rate, just depends what you want to see. Whatever the graph you choose to use, we here in the UK are worryingly tracking very similar figures to Italy (which was what I originally said) which your graph pretty much shows. And my graph based on the same data defiantly shows.

So why are you arguing about it, or is it just an axe to grind because of something I’ve forgotten about/don’t care about?

 

[judderbar]

I’m pretty certain Robert knows that..

Meanwhile I can see one obvious problem with your graph why can’t you? Or was it intentional to Find a graph to say what you wanted? Weird that you chose to post a picture rather than a link to the site.......?

Not that any of this has anything to do with your initial claims about the number of critical cases being important, or did you choose to forget about that.

Well same data, different graph, and different outcome....
Shows the uk has a higher increase in the death rate, just depends what you want to see. Whatever the graph you choose to use, we here in the UK are worryingly tracking very similar figures to Italy (which was what I originally said) which your graph pretty much shows. And my graph based on the same data defiantly shows.

So why are you arguing about it, or is it just an axe to grind because of something I’ve forgotten about/don’t care about?

You keep attributing these sinister motives to me. and you were obnoxious to Robert.

Since I am not in the UK, if my understanding is at the level of a senior hospital administrator in the UK as of two weeks ago, who now considers the situation '****ing petrifying' I think i can be forgiven.

 

[Cinq999]

Problem is we don't know the number of cases because so few people are tested. A study by Oxford University just published in the Financial Times suggests half the population could be already infected, but only about 1 in 1000 develops symptoms severe enough to need hospital treatment. This contradicts the Imperial College study on which Government policy is based, But without mass testing we don't know which study is correct.

It'll be interesting to see the results if the government can obtain and start testing using the antibody testing kits that have been spoken about.

Back at the start of January I had to take a week off work due to what I thought was flu (never had flu in my life before).

Started out one morning with a painful throat, then by the evening I had a fever, 38.5 (another first, never had a fever before).

Then the coughing began. At first it was a dry cough, I felt an irritation in my airway and couldn't help but cough... .and it was non stop, every few minutes day and night.

I can't say I remember having any major problems breathing....after a couple of days I was slightly shorter of breath than normal, and I started coughing up really thick mucus.

Around 8 days after it began, I was feeling almost normal again, just that I had completely lost my voice due to so much coughing.

I saw my doctor, and he just put it down to the flu or "some virus".

Around 7-14 days before it started, I'd been abroad, passed through several airports and been on around 6 flights.... wondering if I might of caught it then.

Anyway, I obviously hope it was this virus....but have no way of knowing. Not that it would effect anything at the moment.....it'd just be nice to know that I personally can't pass it on.

 

[Reg 65]

Well lets hope the Oxford University study proves correct and we can get over this virus with minimal loss of life.
But then, if the shutdown hasn't ruined the economy, what will the next crisis be?
Deforestation, Global warming, food & fuel shortages, immigration, housing etc etc as the world population continues to grow to a level the earth cannot sustain?
Lets enjoy what we have now and not worry too much about the future

 

[jimboy]

Oh dear, as soon as I saw this thread started I knew it would ascend into petty willy waving & bitching about who knows the most about statistics & irrelevant information that nobody really doesn't need to know regarding this virus. The usual subjects are at their best coming up with more & more things & snide remarks off each other. Still, if that's what they want to do.

It's times like this that people should be sticking together, sharing stories of how they are coping or managing at the moment, tips & tricks on how you could do things better, other than obnoxious facetious remarks. I'm all for a bit of craic, even in the face of diversity, times like this some humourous injection would go down far better than the petty play with words some on here seem to get off on. So there I've said it.

 

[Ricardo Silva]

Here in Portugal, even though some business closed doors, many others are still open. The law has enormous flaws! Rent-a-cars are supposed to be closed but there are exceptions, so most rent-a-cars are still working because of those exceptions...Governments only think about not stopping the economy and because of that many lives will be lost. The economy is always going to suffer but we have to decide what is more important. With this decisions, we wont be able to save as many lives as we could and the economy will colapse anyway. As a society, we have to learn and be prepared for situations like this. As families, we have to save money and be able to survive without work at least a few months. No government will have money to support us, maybe the banks that robbed us for the last decades...