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Close UK borders?

Pointless.

Refugees aren't the problem - they're running from the same people committing these atrocities.

It's a thinly veiled racist petition!

I will NOT be signing it! And I ask everyone else to take a step back and seriously think about what it would achieve.
 
Do you really think amongst the 10,000's of people fleeing Syria they're all innocent refugees? If so why are such a high percentage young adult males of "fighting age".

If you look at news sites beyond the BBC and Sky News (which are heavily censored for 'political' reasons) you'll learn the truth of what this mass migration is causing.

The EU "open border" experiment has failed and it's time border controls were set-up again, not just for the UK but all EU members. It's imperative for national security.
 
Well I had family killed in 9/11 and a good friend badly injured in the London bombings, also I've had a friend injured in Afghanistan.
I guess I just take a different view on things, I do think there should be more stringent investigations into who these "refugees" actually are as I don't believe they are all who they claim to be.
Maybe when one of your family or friends are either killed or injured by a suicide bomber or some form of terrorist, then you will understand how I feel.
To basically call someone a racist for posting this petition just panders to letting this stuff happen, a case of burying ones head in the sand, so to speak.
And on that note I bid fiat forum farewell, I'm certainly not sticking around somewhere that you get called a racist for posting something you feel strongly about.
 
I do think there should be more stringent investigations into who these "refugees" actually are as I don't believe they are all who they claim to be.

Mi6 is already on it and waiting for them to arrive here so collaborators in the UK can be dealt with as well. Closing the borders and stopping them from arriving will only delay any action they may or may not have planned. Also if they aren't allowed in, they can not be followed so the platform that already exists within our shores can not be dismantled.

I would also stress that some of the "refugees" are more than likely field operatives and informants closing the borders would increase the chances of their exposure placing them at undue risk.
 
on that note I bid fiat forum farewell, I'm certainly not sticking around somewhere that you get called a racist for posting something you feel strongly about.


I'm not entirely sure this thread was going to go any other way?

Plenty of people have a perfectly valid and opposing opinion which by starting this thread you had given no consideration to? I have to question If you're going to get so offended by people's replies, maybe posting wasn't the best idea in the first place ?
 
I think it's disgusting that somebody had the nerve to post their opposing opinion.... For Shame.

Nobody called YOU a racist either.
 
I feel like offence was taken where none was actually intended. Seems silly to lose a member because of different opinions no matter how strong. Especially when we have bigger arguments than this. Daily. :rolleyes:

Closing borders won't solve this. Whatever you do there'll be someone somewhere prepared to do something absolutely insane. I shan't be voicing my opinion anymore - I feel everyone's said everything needed already.

To be honest I thought all the monuments lighting up in support today sent a far stronger message than any petition.
 
johnxtype

Nobody suggested you are racist but the survey is aimed squarely at inciting racial hatred and justifying racism in others.

I'm sure we all feel as strongly as you about the events in Paris, but...

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...that rather sums things up nicely.

Just because your opinion is different or you feel hard done by that's what forums are, have always been and always will be. From the Roman Empire to a bunch of guys and gals chatting about Fiats.

Kudos for starting the debate it's been one of the better ones so far. :)
 
If you are living a life in danger every day and somebody pushes a door open and invites you to go through it to a better life, then you would probably go through that door and take the chance. Who could blame you?
But, eventually the point will be reached when that door has to be shut again simply (if nothing else) to allow time for people to be assessed, communities time to adjust, otherwise there will be economic collapse in Western Europe, and then quite possible another war as a result.
However, in opening the doors and extending the hand of freedom, we have to set certain ground rules, otherwise the aggressive side of Islam will see the west for what it is - a soft touch, and we will live to regret that.
A few weeks ago my daughter and her boyfriend were sat in the same area in Paris, and sat outside in a pavement bar and had a wonderful time.
How would I think right now if there blameless activity had resulted in them being cut down at the start of their lives by a brain-washed, sadistic petty criminal - turned religious zealot I do not know and I hope I never have to find out.
But, if I found out that the group responsible had entered Europe as refugees and given the hand of friendship it would feel even worse than if it was "home-grown" socially inadequate nut jobs. I don't know if that is a logical feeling or not.
 
Mi6 is already on it and waiting for them to arrive here so collaborators in the UK can be dealt with as well. Closing the borders and stopping them from arriving will only delay any action they may or may not have planned. Also if they aren't allowed in, they can not be followed so the platform that already exists within our shores can not be dismantled.

I would also stress that some of the "refugees" are more than likely field operatives and informants closing the borders would increase the chances of their exposure placing them at undue risk.

The Home Secretary admitted this morning that 700 people went from Syria and about 400 (I think she said) have returned.
If your are right Liquid Knight, then Mi6 has got its work cut out hasn't it?
 
Mi6 is already on it and waiting for them to arrive here so collaborators in the UK can be dealt with as well. Closing the borders and stopping them from arriving will only delay any action they may or may not have planned. Also if they aren't allowed in, they can not be followed so the platform that already exists within our shores can not be dismantled.

I would also stress that some of the "refugees" are more than likely field operatives and informants closing the borders would increase the chances of their exposure placing them at undue risk.

That's why I'm leaving. (y)

I was meaning to quote Johnxtype. Stupid phone.
 
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In the flood that is heading for Europe background checks will be near impossible. They will come from areas where the local government has collapsed, people may be on false papers e.t.c.

I actually agree with the policy of helping the people at source, in the long term keeping someone in their home country, rather than half way round the world in a country where they don't speak the language or know anyone and are vulnerable to organised crime and radical groups make sense.

I think closing the borders won't stop terrorists, only those without the means/connections to bypass them. It will create a wonderful recruiting tool for terrorist organizations who thrive on every negative reaction. Even better if France starts bombing areas, hopefully (in there view) killing some women and children to use as martyrs even if the people involved thought they were scum when they were alive..
 
I agree that we should be helping people at source as much as we can.
But, I thought that was the whole point of the UK sending £36m PER DAY abroad in foreign aid? If not what is it for?
Closing the borders is a non-starter. never going to happen.
But if the numbers are dramatically reduced then it gives the security services a smaller haystack to look for the needles in , and it gives the economies of the recipient countries half a chance of absorbing the numbers without going broke.
 
But if the numbers are dramatically reduced then it gives the security services a smaller haystack to look for the needles in , and it gives the economies of the recipient countries half a chance of absorbing the numbers without going broke.

This assumes they would come in legally and submit to background checks. Terrorists may be among the refugees, they may not be but if that line of entry closed they have the finances, the means, and the will to find another. They may pray on those already here but feeling abandoned by society or they may smuggle their people in or a combination of both. Either way refugees and terrorists are not one and the same, slamming the door may stop the needy but it won't stop the ones you really don't want to meet.

The more we step back from helping, the more negative the reactions become, the more it becomes us and them the worse it becomes. They want to paint the west in a negative light so they can justify their actions and recruit more
 
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