Cinquecento Cinq Abarth Project 1.4 16v

[blu73]

would be great to see it out, tried to convince aaron to sell me it so many times, given up for now though.

 

[Gribouilly]

Hello All !!

I have read the complet thread about , very interesting because, in France, nothing was done from this cam solenoid based engine.

I have my Seicento to race (for pleasure) and I have bought an engine + gearbox from a Grande Punto 1.4 16v (already 95cv, but certainly more because the same engine in the Panda 100HP ?!)

I have a lot of question to adapt it...

- I'm not sure to use the complet inlet manifold due to the fuel injection which is different than the 1.2 16v (with regulator and a return)
So What is made on yours ? because I did'nt understand well what did you do.
- About the cam solenoid, have a picture or drawing of the machining on the plate fitted in place of this solenoid ?
- Do you think my top engine from 1.2 16v with cam pulley as standard could be better ?
- What did you make about the clamp on the inlet manifold (to pass to 8v to 16v by electric way certainly)
- Where did you buy your spark plug cables (blue on yours) ? and what is the diameter ?? 10mm ??? :yum:


Very very good job, damn you have bought this really good swap.

Many thanks for this help.
Regards.

 

[J333EVO]

It has been a while, but we stuck some wheels on this car a few days ago, rolled it out of hibernation jet washed the years of detritus off it, and gave it a once over.

All in still looks all sound, turned over first click of the key, just needs some fuel stuck back in it to get it running again.

So we got to work cutting the rear brace bar that the harnesses will attach to. Need to check if we have any gas yet to weld the bar in place to the bolt on plates we made for it that attach to the original rear seat belt anchor points on the rear arches.

If I remember I'll take some pics of it as it stands and get them up.

Since we built this car we've had two children and had a few cars, but we will get round to getting it back on the road and to some events now our kids are 4 and 2 next month.

We've also had some cars in the meantime;

The Mitsubishi FTO GPvR was replaced with a Honda Civic Type-R EP3 Premier Edition, which was then replaced with a MK5 Golf R32. The Toyota Celica GT4 ST205 was replaced with a Clio 182 Trophy, which was replaced with a RenaultSport Megane DCi175, which in turn was replaced with a MINI Clubman Hampton Edition Cooper SD.

The Lancia integrale EVO remains in place never to be replaced.

 

[J333EVO]

Few pics as stands after 4 years of no use.

 

[blu73]

i do love this cinq!!! still looks great

 

[maniac500]

Wow! Thats one stunning 5cento

 

[arc]

yay!

(I spy arch rush though )

 

[J333EVO]

Yeah passenger side arch has some rust, we already cut out the drivers side and welded in a small section.

Not really investigated it thoroughly yet, but it will probably mean being cut out and welded up which is no biggie.

 

[arc]

That's something I never did get on with, cutting and welding. Scared me. It shouldn't. I should learn.

I do miss my old car now. No idea where Chii is these days, lost touch with the guy who bought her.

The Toyota Celica GT4 ST205 was replaced with a Clio 182 Trophy, which was replaced with a RenaultSport Megane DCi175, which in turn was replaced with a MINI Clubman Hampton Edition Cooper SD.

This saddens me.

 

[blu73]

This saddens me.

I think to do with being a grown up that arc, i read that as:

The Absolutely epicly awesome was replaced with also very cool, would kinda like one, which was replaced with really?!? what happened there, which in turn was replaced with a OMG whats happened, just take me out and shoot me.

Of course I exagerate a little but thats what comes with kids and stuff, there has to be comprising somewhere and there is always the cinq and the delta so really I'm just jealous haha

 

[arc]

I dunno.. the Mitsubishi FTO GPvR could've evolved into the diesel..

 

[jatkinson]

the two forum legends are back !!!!

 

[MazCinq]

Few pics as stands after 4 years of no use.

God I regret selling that steering wheel, forgot how good it looked!!!! pleased it went to a good home though.

 

[J333EVO]

God I regret selling that steering wheel, forgot how good it looked!!!! pleased it went to a good home though.

It will not please you to know then that there is one for sale on eBay for £350 + £20 postage. That's not to say it will sell for that though with three days to run from today.

 

[MazCinq]

Wow, seems you got a bargin lmao.


~heads off to check eBay~

 

[J333EVO]

I dunno.. the Mitsubishi FTO GPvR could've evolved into the diesel..

Hey Arc good to see you're still on here as well.

Emma loved her FTO, and I have to admit it was a great car. 2L V6 with variable inlet length as well as cam timing. Nice long inlet length for low down torque, then all 6 butterflies open up to allow a much shorter inlet length for high end power. Doing the cam belt was interesting with its quad cam V6 configuration. Never ever drive an auto FTO it kills it. Plus the GPvR has an LSD, and same rear suspension set up as the EVO 1-3 which is strengthened over the normal FTO. Thicker anti-roll bars as well, plus ours ran Cusco Zero2Zero adjustable coil-over suspension. But rust was making itself known and was time to go.

I know you have a soft spot for the GT4 ST205's. I loved my Celica and if I could have kept it I would have, but doing the mileage I do it was proving uneconomical to run. Although admittedly 28mpg with 275bhp after fitting a Blitz Access ECU was very acceptable. Had some lovely rare bits on it that car and was bought by a fellow integrale owner.

Clio 182 Trophy was an amazing car, and no wonder prices are already creeping up on low mileage cars. My MPG went upto 38mpg on same journeys as the Celica.

My first diesel car and a proper car at that. Megane DCi175 same PerfoHub front suspension as the petrol cars, but a frugal Nissan 2L diesel that went and sounded very un-diesel like. It returned an easy 48mpg on same journeys as the Clio. Jamie86 has it now.

My MINI Clubman's 2L BMW diesel is nowhere near as civil as the Meganes, but does more mpg 54, so I've steadily gone up MPG on everycar move. After fitting a http://www.racechip.com/ from Germany MPG has remained steadfast, but power has gone upfrom 143bhp and 220lbft to approx 180bhp and 295lbft.

It has about every single optional extra, sat-nav, DAB, iphone cradle in arm rest, heated leather seats, but best of all a heated front windscreen. It is amazing in the winter!

Anyway, it's a Cinq thread, I'll update with Cinq stuff soon!

 

[arc]

*waves*

I don't doubt that you researched each car change thoroughly and there was a good reason for each, but like you said, I do have a thing about ST205-GT4s

I have no car of note since I sold the Xsara VTS

 

[J333EVO]

*waves*

I don't doubt that you researched each car change thoroughly and there was a good reason for each, but like you said, I do have a thing about ST205-GT4s

I have no car of note since I sold the Xsara VTS

I'd have another GT4 in a heart beat. Very underrated compared to contemporary cars, but as such don't command as much money and many have fallen in to the hands of those who can't afford to run them correctly. So many end up with dodgy mods and questionable body modifications and horrible wheels that don't suit them. Maintenance is neglected for "modification" and then the become rough and unreliable. Vicious circle that will come to and end and only the best will be left by which point values may rise again though probably never to integrale or Escort Cosworth levels. Which considering it proved the only worthwhile competition to the integrale and whipped the Escort on the rally stages is a shame. It was more expensive new than either of those cars as well due to the extent of the engineering in building them.

 

[SpreadLegsNotLies]

Just read through this whole thread and have got to say that build is awesome with some high quality mods. One thing though, why go to all of the bother of moving the gear stick inside, cutting and welding bits and the such, instead of just extending the arms on the box a slight amount? I know this is a common modification we do on the 205 rally cars around here.

Is it not possible on these boxes? I've noticed a weight on one of the gearbox arms (not sure what this is for) but would assume it can be removed and an extension bolted in place?

Again amazing build, thoroughly impressed with the attention to detail.

 

[J333EVO]

By moving the gear change mechanism inside the car it moves the gearstick much closer to the steering wheel. It reduces the time your hand is off the steering wheel and we don't have the luxury of say a Satchshift like Peugeot 106 owners do http://www.satchellengineering.co.uk/106-saxo-satchshift.html to just bolt in, so modified what we had.

If you look at any race or rally cars which don't have paddle shifts they gearstick is very close to the steering wheel. Even cars with shifts as good from standard as the Honda Civic EP3 Type-R have off the shelf extension & quick shifts http://www.tegiwaimports.com/select...egiwa-360-degree-shifter-extension-honda.html

The type of change you mention is very common in RS Megane's 225/230/F1 etc but modifying the pivot point on a gearbox end fitting. It makes it very good.