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Hey Steve, even the 1.4 500 will match and normally beat the Smart petrol engines in the 2007 onwards range.. i.e the Mitsubishi engines. Its a big thing here in the UK that on average Smarts do around 43mpg!!!! Smarts fuel consumption figures are pure fiction, have a look at the Smart owners websites.
 
Steve - great insight into the US point of view on this situation.

Glad to hear you think the 500 and the Alfa range would be well recieved across the pond. I hope this deal goes ahead as I can only see it being a positive thing for the future of the Fiat group provided there isn't a massive capital outlay.
 
Since these photos seem to be everywhere except in this thread.
 

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That Jeep-Panda is genius! Think someone has just saved Fiat several million when it comes to facelifting the Panda. Didn't think it was possible to make the Multipla look any worse but they have - congratulations!
 
Hot of the internet presses.


http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/23/fiat-and-chrysler-designers-to-begin-collaboration-other-fiat-d/

The ink isn't even dry yet on the deal between Chrysler and Fiat, but design executives from both automakers are slated to begin meeting next week to discuss collaboration on future products and how Fiat's current offerings can be adapted for Chrysler's needs.

The meetings were confirmed by Chrysler's VP of design Ralph Gilles, who also revealed that the alliance extends only to the Fiat brand itself, and does not include Lancia, Alfa Romeo, Maserati or Ferrari. So don't expect to see a Dodge 8C Competizione hitting the market any time soon. However, although Maserati and Ferrari are already active on this side of the Atlantic, Fiat is expected to use Chrysler's existing infrastructure to reach its goal of bringing the Alfa Romeo brand back to he North American market. The cars available to Chrysler for re-badging, however, will remain exclusively from the Fiat portfolio.
 
So Fiat could just buy up some sales outlets when Chrysler collapses? This deal is still being negotiated...

Fiat-Chrysler partnership will bring 7 new models to U.S.
by Damon Lavrinc on Jan 26th 2009 at 9:26AM

Since the announcement of the Chrysler-Fiat partnership last week, speculation has swirled about what models would come out of the American-Italian venture. Automotive News got the skinny on what's on the way, and according to their unnamed sources, we can expect seven new vehicles in North America – four under the Chrysler brands and three as Alfa Romeos or Fiats.

The plan covers vehicles on four platforms, spanning from a micro-car to a mid-size sedan, with plants in North America being tasked with building most of the new models. Chrysler's Toluca, Mexico plant, which current builds the Dodge Journey and not-long-for-this-world PT Cruiser, will begin producing the Fiat 500 under the alliance.

Chrysler's executive vice president for product development, Frank Klegon, said, "We don't have an A-segment vehicle, and we don't have a B-segment vehicle, and our C-segment vehicle [Dodge Caliber] is in the next stage of renewal. That creates some opportunities for us."

The agreement involves two new minicars (A-segment) that share the same platform. The first is the aforementioned Fiat 500 and the second, a five-door hatchback based on the Fiat Panda, will likely be badged as a Chrysler or Dodge. This should help both automakers with the 2011 U.S. fuel economy standards and give Chrysler a serious sub-compact offering.

Moving up to the B segment, Chrysler could get the next generation Fiat Grande Punto, Alfa could begin selling the MiTo and the same platform could be used to create a small crossover for Chrysler. There's also talk of Chrysler being afforded access to Fiat's 1.4- and 1.8-liter four-cylinder direct-injection engines. Chrysler could produce both at one of its own factories, likely in turbocharged guise at its Dundee, Michigan plant, but a source indicates that Chrysler is only interested in the 1.4-liter variant.


On the mid-size front, Chrysler – which is in desperate need of both C- and D-segment models to replace the Caliber/Compass and Sebring/Avenger, respectively – could utilize Fiat's new C-Evo architecture to create a new sedan and a more respectable compact car. The C-Evo underpinnings will be used first on the Alfa Romeo 147 replacement, currently codenamed project 940, which takes some stylistic cues from the 8C Competitizione.

And what's Fiat get out of all this? An inexpensive entry into the North American market, manufacturing capacity and a sizeable distribution network. And if you think Chrysler is getting all the goods, Fiat plans to distribute the Dodge Journey and Dakota pickup in South America, and will be able to utilize Chrysler's new Phoenix V6 in its own line of products. Not quite balanced, but hardly a bad deal.
[Source: Automotive News - Sub. Req.]
 
but its a US paper (like this is a US forum), what it says is true in many respects although the general opinion (I feel) is they dont seem to like Fiats that much, but I really cant see Fiat putting up a huge amount of money as its own presevation is more important.
 
but its a US paper (like this is a US forum), what it says is true in many respects although the general opinion (I feel) is they dont seem to like Fiats that much, but I really cant see Fiat putting up a huge amount of money as its own presevation is more important.

Meh and there's tonnes of rubbish in UK papers which doesn't necessarily represent the market or the views of people. All that article is is opinion and I really don't think it's very well thought out.

It totally misses out on the fact that Fiat products are a ****load more economical than anything GM or Ford have and probably still better than anything Toyota and Honda have. It wasn't so long ago that people in the US didn't like Honda's and Toyota's and now they've buried the US car industry.... Sure car sales in the US are hardly booming but Fiat's are cheap AND economical which is what people want. Fiat are going in at a good time. People can't afford to be snobbish and can't afford cars that aren't economical ding ding Fiat are gonna cash in.

Fiat are paying for the factories to be retooled so it's not all government money and Fiat must see the point in doing the deal.
 
I think the more important article is this one:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7851038.stm

Fiat couldn't have chosen a better time to re-launch into the American market. Obama is at the highest approval rating he's likely to have - the people will now more than ever support his objectives. If that means they have to buy more efficient cars who's just turned up from across the pond with their new super efficient and therefore cheap/free from pollution tax... of course Fiat :D

If they play their cards right here they could, despite the recession, make some of the best sales figures for years.
 
I think the more important article is this one:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7851038.stm

Fiat couldn't have chosen a better time to re-launch into the American market. Obama is at the highest approval rating he's likely to have - the people will now more than ever support his objectives. If that means they have to buy more efficient cars who's just turned up from across the pond with their new super efficient and therefore cheap/free from pollution tax... of course Fiat :D

If they play their cards right here they could, despite the recession, make some of the best sales figures for years.

Aslong as Fiat want to sell Fiats in the US and not use it as a excuse to relaunch Alfas.
 
Aslong as Fiat want to sell Fiats in the US and not use it as a excuse to relaunch Alfas.
Launching Alfas alongside Fiats makes sense in the US as long as they try and keep the production line as simple as possible and roll the SGE engine out as widely as possible.
 
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