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You do realise that, now you have told us this, Fiat is going to have to hunt you down and kill you?
General Calling all start 'n' stop owners!
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General Calling all start 'n' stop owners!
You do realise that, now you have told us this, Fiat is going to have to hunt you down and kill you?
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LMAO, I'd like to see them try 
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Looks like the same problem is back!
Car ss working very hit and miss and restarting on own.
I am keeping a log now of outside temperature, climate control setting and just how long the car stays in off mode before firing back up.
All very strange, the car SS seemed t be inactive when the out side temp stayed below 8 degrees, then a single stop and restart at 2 degrees. Since then total hit and miss.
Spoke to dealership today, they want to talk to Fiat before booking the car in again. What surprised me is that even though the car was in for 5 days they could only claim 2 hours from Fiat when they were carrying out tests at Fiat's request and 1 hour for changing the battery. My cars been in for over three weeks on this issue.
To be fair to the dealership Glynn Hopkins in Chelmsford they have been very good, I feel disappointed with Fiat and the Ss system which seems to have issues with the TA.
Car ss working very hit and miss and restarting on own.
I am keeping a log now of outside temperature, climate control setting and just how long the car stays in off mode before firing back up.
All very strange, the car SS seemed t be inactive when the out side temp stayed below 8 degrees, then a single stop and restart at 2 degrees. Since then total hit and miss.
Spoke to dealership today, they want to talk to Fiat before booking the car in again. What surprised me is that even though the car was in for 5 days they could only claim 2 hours from Fiat when they were carrying out tests at Fiat's request and 1 hour for changing the battery. My cars been in for over three weeks on this issue.
To be fair to the dealership Glynn Hopkins in Chelmsford they have been very good, I feel disappointed with Fiat and the Ss system which seems to have issues with the TA.
We have owned our 500 Twinair for some 10 months.
Just a thought. We have added to the household car fleet with a Vauxhall Mokka. We have owned it for some 7 days, the S/S has never once failed. It has worked more in 7 days than our 500 has worked in 10 months. No exaggeration, really.
Driving style in both cars is exactly the same as due to wife being incapacitated I have been driving both cars, obviously not both at same time!
Anyone else have 2 differently manufactured cars with S/S, and noticed the difference?
PS The 1.7 diesel Mokka is so much more fuel efficient than the Twinair. The 500 is quite clearly a city car. Good MPG at lower speeds. Stretch its legs and MPG plummets.
Mokka MPG over 300 miles is 62 MPG. Fiat 500 is 44 MPG since last tank fill some 250 miles ago.
Just a thought. We have added to the household car fleet with a Vauxhall Mokka. We have owned it for some 7 days, the S/S has never once failed. It has worked more in 7 days than our 500 has worked in 10 months. No exaggeration, really.
Driving style in both cars is exactly the same as due to wife being incapacitated I have been driving both cars, obviously not both at same time!
Anyone else have 2 differently manufactured cars with S/S, and noticed the difference?
PS The 1.7 diesel Mokka is so much more fuel efficient than the Twinair. The 500 is quite clearly a city car. Good MPG at lower speeds. Stretch its legs and MPG plummets.
Mokka MPG over 300 miles is 62 MPG. Fiat 500 is 44 MPG since last tank fill some 250 miles ago.
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Wait 10 months and then comment on the S&S in the Vauxhall. I suspect it'll use the same cheapo EFB that FIAT use on the 500 S&S - which will have a useful lifetime (with constant starts and stops) of around 2 years, with noticable degradation in charge acceptance after around 6 months.
FIAT buy in S&S tech from Bosch - it's not their own invention.
FIAT buy in S&S tech from Bosch - it's not their own invention.
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Does anybody with TA have a ss system that works!
My first three days of logging all the instant restarts have no relationship to out side or internal temperature or distance traveled.
Given the number of days my car has been in the dealership I am loosing all faith in a fix given that my car had the software upgrade.
Does anyone one know just how I can get Fiat involved directly with my problem?
My first three days of logging all the instant restarts have no relationship to out side or internal temperature or distance traveled.
Given the number of days my car has been in the dealership I am loosing all faith in a fix given that my car had the software upgrade.
Does anyone one know just how I can get Fiat involved directly with my problem?
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S/S on my TA works most of the time.
I do notice that when very very cold and if I have heater blowing, heated rear window on and maybe lights on that it will restart itself after a few seconds if stopping.
Doesn't really bother me though.
My car is a Dec 2011 with no software updates (that I know of) if that makes any difference.
I do notice that when very very cold and if I have heater blowing, heated rear window on and maybe lights on that it will restart itself after a few seconds if stopping.
Doesn't really bother me though.
My car is a Dec 2011 with no software updates (that I know of) if that makes any difference.
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Petrol vs Diesel.... In the mpg stakes Diesel will almost always win. Bear in mind that Diesel is more expensive and Diesel cars usually more expensive to purchase in the first place. I guess it's down to what you want out if a car / engine.
Yes I got it sorted but after a couple of months of hair pulling, Mine was terrible when I got it from new, worked maybe once out of 10 times I should on a good day.
Dealer tried the normal foboffs, but I stood my ground, they first tried the battery charge routine (Worked for a couple of days), next step was to replace the battery with as new one, (Again worked for a couple of days)
After multiple trips and foot stamping they had a Fiat Tech in from Head Office who took it out on the road with it connected to a laptop, and diagnosed it as an intermittent fault on the alternator (Which did not show up when it was stationary)..
Changed the alternator and bobs your whatsit it has worked like a dream ever since (8 Months 22k miles later) its still 100% Reliable.
Not saying that is everyones problem but well worth getting them to look for alternator issues!
Ok so here is my experience:
Just bought a 2011 500c with 12k on the clock. This morning the wife gets in and reverses approx. 2 metres to allow our other car off the drive. Approx. 2 hours later I get in and drive it. At the bottom of the road I see the engine light on and the stopnstart light plus triangle waning light on. Take it home immediately and ring wife to tell her to contact the dealer.
This evening returning from home and giving this forum a review I went out and played with it again. Started again from cold and all same lights still on. I turned off the ss (dash button) and turned it back on again. restarted the car and lights disappeared! However this time I got a "boot open" light. Slammed that shut a couple of times to stop it displaying ( didn't seem open and wife not even used it) and since then all looks good.
Any use?
Confused of Tunbridge Wells
Just bought a 2011 500c with 12k on the clock. This morning the wife gets in and reverses approx. 2 metres to allow our other car off the drive. Approx. 2 hours later I get in and drive it. At the bottom of the road I see the engine light on and the stopnstart light plus triangle waning light on. Take it home immediately and ring wife to tell her to contact the dealer.
This evening returning from home and giving this forum a review I went out and played with it again. Started again from cold and all same lights still on. I turned off the ss (dash button) and turned it back on again. restarted the car and lights disappeared! However this time I got a "boot open" light. Slammed that shut a couple of times to stop it displaying ( didn't seem open and wife not even used it) and since then all looks good.
Any use?
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In addition to this, there is also a Body Computer update that changes the S&S logic so that:
a) The S&S disable state is stored after key off
b) S&S is not disabled by having the heated rear window switched on
c) S&S is not disabled by having the wipers on full speed
Bulletin ref is: 5505 1 861 RA
I shall be booking my car (into a different dealer than where I bought it from!) to have this carried out asap.
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Update on my long standing stop start problem - car restarts after 3-10 seconds
Car went into dealership to be seen by Fiat tec,, detailed log which i made of restart times, air temp, distance travelled etc etc given in.
Fiat tech ordered new battery sensor, (this will be second one, and car is on second battery)
Car returned while awaiting new sensor to be shipped, car battery was charged while in and for two weeks car performed just as it should. After two weeks back to random restarts or random activation.
Car dropped off to day for the new sensor to be fitted.
My car had two software updates and these did not fix my problem.
I will not settle for a system that is sold as a feature and fails to work.
I am just not convinced that another sensor will fix this problem, I feel a watchdog feature coming on.
Car went into dealership to be seen by Fiat tec,, detailed log which i made of restart times, air temp, distance travelled etc etc given in.
Fiat tech ordered new battery sensor, (this will be second one, and car is on second battery)
Car returned while awaiting new sensor to be shipped, car battery was charged while in and for two weeks car performed just as it should. After two weeks back to random restarts or random activation.
Car dropped off to day for the new sensor to be fitted.
My car had two software updates and these did not fix my problem.
I will not settle for a system that is sold as a feature and fails to work.
I am just not convinced that another sensor will fix this problem, I feel a watchdog feature coming on.
Need someone help asap please, got my fiat punto last month, stop start always seems 2 stop then come straight back on. If take for long drive seems to work ok after but then next day back to starting its self. I like the car but think i made a mistake getting it. Also passager window goes down on auto but not up on auto silly i no but i can live with this. Stop start just really bugging me, should i take it to fiat? May just sell it loose money on it
silly i no but i can live with this. Stop start just really bugging me, should i take it to fiat? May just sell it loose money on it 
This really belongs in the Punto scetion, but your question can be answered here.
If you bought the car new, take it back to FIAT & persist in complaining until it is fixed.
If you bought the car secondhand, and it is more than 18 months old, replace the battery, and the problem will most likely go away. Do this even if the battery seems otherwise well. Don't bother trying to claim under warranty - they'll just tell you the battery is OK & it's a wear & tear item anyhow & therefore almost certainly not covered.
Disagree with this if you must, but before you do, please read this thread in its entirety first.
If you bought the car new, take it back to FIAT & persist in complaining until it is fixed.
If you bought the car secondhand, and it is more than 18 months old, replace the battery, and the problem will most likely go away. Do this even if the battery seems otherwise well. Don't bother trying to claim under warranty - they'll just tell you the battery is OK & it's a wear & tear item anyhow & therefore almost certainly not covered.
Disagree with this if you must, but before you do, please read this thread in its entirety first.
This is precisely how it is designed to work. Health & safety issues are the reason.Also passager window goes down on auto but not up on auto
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No it isn't, the fact its a low model in the Fiat range is the reason it does it, just like the Panda.
Larger Fiat models have total closure on all windows
No it isn't, the fact its a low model in the Fiat range is the reason it does it, just like the Panda.
Larger Fiat models have total closure on all windows
That's a more complete explanation. FIAT are too tight-fisted to pay for a motor torque sensor on the smaller models, so they don't implement autoclose instead as a cheaper way of complying with Health & Safety requirements.
Not to tight fisted, again it comes down to what people are willing to pay. Fiat are not going to price their cars be be both competitive in the market and make a loss on each car sale are they.
Personally I don't see the problem. Sure it would be nice to have an autoclose window on the passenger side, but you have to hold the button down, big deal
To me, any kind of electrically operated window represents the height of luxury. When I started out motoring, power windows were only available on the likes of RR's & Bentleys.
First car I went in at the age of 4-5 with rear electric windows was some Top Spec Rover from the early 80's - refered to for years as the Magic car
