Tuning best and easiest engine swap for cinq with turbo

[Yazza54]

how true rich but they just seem to like to critizise on here....they dont know me and what i have access to as my mate owns a farm with a disused airfield in the middle of it and its used for rally sprints most weekends but they tend to lash out before finding out the truth and of course they are such perfect drivers!!!!! wonder how many points they have against my 0 in 25 years......its pathetic,forums are here for people to chat and help each other out....well thats what i thought and how wrong i was.

None of us have professed to be perfect drivers. If anything I was just warning you that if you came on here posting videos and thinking it's big and clever you will get boll*cked. I did it, so I know, but I was 18 and I'd like to think I've grown up a bit now, wouldn't expect it from someone in their 40's.

Oh and I couldn't care less what driving courses you've done and what racing you've done, so have I, I have car control better than most (by no means a perfect driver), but on the road if someone pulls out, if a child runs out, then it doesn't matter whether you are Sebastien Loeb, or Dave from the corner shop. Sh*t can, and will happen at some point, and there will be no going back.



Has it not occurred to you that this thread went off topic because you didn't think before you wrote on here..

 

[allanhelen]

it's called Turbo Fatigue, every week someone comes here askes how to do it? will X engine fit, how fast will it? and why do I have so many spots and oily skin?

These cars are not about max speed they are about getting from A to B on small roads with a grin on your face just like the original mini was. But as with the original mini as time goes by bigger better, faster more capable cars come along that make a better alternative.

If you want to turbo the cr*p of your car just do do search on here and you will find every answer you need so just do it and tell us when you've finished. By then you will have spent a shed load of money on a car that is slower and handles worse than most of the modern family saloons that you would have been able to afford if you hadn't spent all your spare cash turboing the cento, oh and did I mention reliable because the version of that word that you will be using all the time would start with "un"

I have 25 years free of accident free motoring too plus I've owned one of the fastest Turbo Cinq's on the planet, but I sold it mainly as it was scariest but also the slowest least powerful car I owned so It just never got used. It was always the last car I would jump into and do you know there was never one occasion where I thought I'm late I need to get somewhere fast! I must take the Turbo Cinq.

 

[mustard]

i have to say this is one the best forums around and generally everybody here do help and your right nobody is perfect but when you put 105 regularly on the motorway this is a different ball game as you will know saftey to yourself and others are priority and you probably know that anyway. We don't really know you your right but sometimes there are youngsters (i know your not) who come on the forum just looking for all out power not thinking of the implecations when racing on the roads, as you will probably agree... age + inexperience and speed can lead to trouble.
Anyway this is going off the subject, so if you are a responsible driver which iam sure you are i apoligise if not then this maybe is not the forum for you. i think its time to wipe the slate clean and talk about our cars.

Mustard

 

[turbocinq]

i think its time to wipe the slate clean and talk about our cars.

Mustard

Agreed, well said...

 

[AppleSei]

Well it might not have done if people had not deviated from the original topic...

how true rich but they just seem to like to critizise on here

Well unfortunetaly it was the OP who began to deviate OT not anyone else as he was the first to mention about being addicted to speed and then the follow up post mentioned about sitting on motorway at 100mph+ and people have answered back to that since

So its the OP's fault for leading OT not anyone elses

Anyway what info you want is on the forum, do a search and keep us updated

 

[andys cinq]

nobody seems to have noticed that i also put that im just sitting with the flow of the traffic on the motorway at those speeds and that very often on the new bit of m1 drivers are undertaking at well in excess of the 100mph mark.the reason i have been saying about the speed is because im used to big yank v8s in old fords,thats all ive ever built and i had no idea the best way to go or engine and gearbox combos that will fit in the cinq.but after some discussion with another member he has pointed me in the right direction and is helping me to get the car done with his advice.
im so amazed that the little cinq engine can sit at these speeds happily.everyone has said it would let go but it took 18 months of abuse and the only thing that went was 3 core plugs one after the other.
anyway to finish the subject off once and for all yes i may well love the speed but i know the time and place to do it....yes i have maxed it out on the roads once at 4am and nothing else was anywhere the rest of the time its on private land.im not someone spotty greasy little boy racer,never have been.i love my little cinq too much to put it at risk and i certainly aint going to put my neck on the line....if im in a 30 zone im doing 25 if its a 20 and there are a few near me then i am under 20...i use country lanes at night for playing and only the roads i know well which are where i used to live.....why do you think i like driving in the fast lane of the m1????cause i spend the rest of my driving time in london traffic and to travel 6 miles can take me upto an hour so its not exactly fast driving down here and its nice to let off steam hence the journey up the motorway and back to my home county.
as for rallycinq saying its bull**** have a look on google earth just to the north east of kettering northamptonshire and you will see the airfield and the forest we use for messing about on then say its bull....

 

[fingers99]

Enough! :bang:

Can we get this back on topic, please, with proper punctuation if possible...............

 

[andys cinq]

i have to say this is one the best forums around and generally everybody here do help and your right nobody is perfect but when you put 105 regularly on the motorway this is a different ball game as you will know saftey to yourself and others are priority and you probably know that anyway. We don't really know you your right but sometimes there are youngsters (i know your not) who come on the forum just looking for all out power not thinking of the implecations when racing on the roads, as you will probably agree... age + inexperience and speed can lead to trouble.
Anyway this is going off the subject, so if you are a responsible driver which iam sure you are i apoligise if not then this maybe is not the forum for you. i think its time to wipe the slate clean and talk about our cars.

Mustard

i do agree with you about lack of age + inexperience does lead to major problems and i used to spends most nights on the old airfield in the dry,wet,snow,ice learing how to control a car and that was before i was even learning to drive on the roads and thank you for the apology and as i put in my last post im only sitting with the flow of the traffic in the fast lane and i have been in a train of cars about 10 long all at those speeds.im sure you have seen that sort of thing on the motorways as probably most have and there have even been times where i have felt uncomfortable in that position call it a gut feeling and ive pulled back to the centre lane and then tucked in at the tail end when they have passed then sit a good distance back from last car so its not like im driving outside my comfort zone.if i ever have the slightest doubt about anything im thinking of doing on the road i wont do it i have to 100% sure before i move,which i think you would agree is the responsible thing to do

 

[andys cinq]

Enough! :bang:

Can we get this back on topic, please, with proper punctuation if possible...............

sorry just got very wound up over this...im not a dangerous driver or a liar as implied by rallycinq and i think im entitled to reply to the comments when its about me,but yes i would love to get back to the subject i asked about.

 

[mustard]

i have a 1242 with nearly the same mods as well and have enjoyed it alot but approx 6 months time my motor will be put in my lock up for a overhaul and another engine upgrade probably a 1.4 16v or 8v . have you thought of what engine upgrade yet?

Mustard

 

[andys cinq]

i have a 1242 with nearly the same mods as well and have enjoyed it alot but approx 6 months time my motor will be put in my lock up for a overhaul and another engine upgrade probably a 1.4 16v or 8v . have you thought of what engine upgrade yet?

Mustard

im keeping the 1242 but its getting a turbo put on and its going to multi point instead of single point.i already have the complete inlet manifold set up off the 75 engine i used to put in my cinq but put single point head on with the 75 cam.its certainly lively and i love driving it as it always brings a smile to my face and easy to park in london....any gap will do
do you have any other suggestions as to what i can do.not just to improve the engine but im trying to sort the suspension out as im not happy with it.i have pi shortened front shox with 60mm lowered and hardened springs 30% harder and 24 point adj avo rear shox with 40mm drop springs and front upper and lower strut braces but i dont feel that its that much different to standard as the body still seems to roll like mad.is there a thicker anti roll bar that can be used with poly bushes like i used to use on mk1/2 escorts with an anti dive double width kit,does anyone do anything like that for the cinq?
cheers andy

 

[rallycinq]

Move the top mounts to increase the neg camber, same as a tarmac Escort, a wee nip on the caster as well will help turn in.

Cheers

SPD

 

[andys cinq]

Move the top mounts to increase the neg camber, same as a tarmac Escort, a wee nip on the caster as well will help turn in.

Cheers

SPD

it turns in really well and never get much understeer except in the wet just the body seems to roll too much for supposed stiffened suspension

 

[mustard]

it turns in really well and never get much understeer except in the wet just the body seems to roll too much for supposed stiffened suspension

i am quite surprise you get so much body roll with such lower centre of gravity,stiffer springs and poly bushes. as rallycinq said a bit of neg chamber may help.

How strange...similar spec motor, a londoner like myself, same age however iam 2 days older.

 

[fingers99]

There is a stiffer ARB out there, but no longer in production. All logic suggests that these increase understeer, though, and as rare as rocking horse poo. See the J333EVO/foxyemz thread for a rear ARB.

Torsional rigidity is an issue in these cars. Wouldn't surprise me if the roll was initiated from the back. Decent seats help.

 

[rallycinq]

Stiffening the shell at the rear does increase oversteer, therefore reducing understeer.

Cheers

SPD

 

[andys cinq]

There is a stiffer ARB out there, but no longer in production. All logic suggests that these increase understeer, though, and as rare as rocking horse poo. See the J333EVO/foxyemz thread for a rear ARB.

Torsional rigidity is an issue in these cars. Wouldn't surprise me if the roll was initiated from the back. Decent seats help.

i have even put the rear shoxs to max setting so there is no give and it still rolls and it comes from the front as with either left or right hand corner and the tyres are rubbing heavily on the inner plastic arches to the point where they have worn thru the plastic and also have rubbed on the inner wing at the back of the front wheel and im only running seicento abarth alloys with 175/50hr14.im seriously thinking of binning these pi shoxs and getting some billys...views please?
the seats are going to be last thing on my agenda as want to get the handling sorted before i start putting the turbo power thru.

 

[andys cinq]

i am quite surprise you get so much body roll with such lower centre of gravity,stiffer springs and poly bushes. as rallycinq said a bit of neg chamber may help.

How strange...similar spec motor, a londoner like myself, same age however iam 2 days older.

what a coincidence only 2 days between us lmao.are you 24th or 28th? i will have a play with the negative camber at work tomorrow and see what i can sort out.easier with the ramps and air tools.

 

[rallycinq]

You need to adjust the rebound, not the bump.

As you know dampers do not stop the suspension, thats the job of the springs. Sounds like you have lowered posing springs rather than ones that work. Make sure the rating suits the corner weights, but you'll know that anyway.

Cheers

SPD

 

[andys cinq]

You need to adjust the rebound, not the bump.

As you know dampers do not stop the suspension, thats the job of the springs. Sounds like you have lowered posing springs rather than ones that work.

Cheers

SPD

you have lost me.....the rears are 24 point adjustable but this just makes them harder or softer and the fronts have no settings to adj they are fixed.i know the springs are supposed to be 30% stiffer than originals as per their ad if its true or not i dont know for sure but i dont feel they are hard enough to support the car when cornering.my escort i built last handled like it was on rails and that had 2.8i billys and 220lb springs dropped by 2 inches and 146lb leafs with billys on the back