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I suggest you should listen to this fellows debate amongst a very (embarrassing to be a part of) group of young students at Cambridge Union...
Which shows that some of that social decay in US universities has potentially tainted some parts of what our most prestigious thought centres used to be...
That’s the far right in the US, the fact checkers have dispelled the claims of the right wing and it is purely ‘protectionism’ on their part
The ideology that politics is a horseshoe with the far left being as bad, or the same, as the far right is largely discredited. Not least as the only empirical evidence has been capitalism/oligarchy/monopoly/FR has been seen, in all its forms, in reality and socialism/communism/FL has been but a name applied to dictatorships…the nearest anyone has got to it is New Zealand, the Scandinavian countries (and, at its most extreme Cuba, which descended into dictatorship) at best they can be described as ‘Social Democratic Capitalism’, and, if I had to be pigeonholed, that’s where I would probably hang my hat. I don’t think socialism would fully work because humans are greedy and the grass is always greener ‘over there’. So, if we have to have capitalism, let’s make it fairer so the gap between rich and poor isn’t so great and, in real capitalism, new technology and real competition allows us greater choice on what we spend our fairer earnings on.
I had a neighbour, wehn I lived in council housing, that I asked ‘why do you drive around in a new Jag?’ He responded that ‘I can afford one, but I can’t afford one AND a mortgage!’ How times have changed, now many of us can’t afford either!
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And as for Rafe, why not post the other side of that ‘debate’. The guy is a right winger, he has very dubious opinions on race, doesn’t know what ‘woke’ means (he uses it all the time on to denigrate something in the same way he uses ‘communism’, and is a regular on right wing broadcasters such as GBNews, Fox and USSky…he might be educated but only in the way that Oswald Mosley was!
I’m leaving this now as Indiana Jones says ‘Nazis, I hate them’
I’m leaving this now as Indiana Jones says ‘Nazis, I hate them’
I just add the term 'far' when someone from either 'side' gets extreme about anything. I'd say I'm more toward the right of the political stuff, but I would admit and welcome 'left' side ideas, because a lot of what they value is also important. Frankly I wish there wasn't sides. When I was in A-Level English over a decade ago now, they taught us how some newspapers are conservative, and others are basically labour supporting... To me initially, I always thought that was so stupid. Obviously it's just how things are. But isn't it annoying that some outlets will portray the same incident in a way that defends its views on the world? I hate it. I do try to avoid the media all I can.
Of course most of us, myself included come from and still live in a relatively average (lower end of the wealth spectrum). Just going by my own view port of the world though, our education / health and whatnot suffers from the same kind of issues / lack of funding as the mainland. Our family who would have been dirt poor farmers on the NI side for generations, has come down to folks who are trades people, medical professionals (imagine/optometry/diabetes specialists/nurses) and all have fairly nice houses, nice cars, a few kids who are pretty spoilt rotten, half of us have the new iPhone or Samsung each year. We didn't have political roots, or handed down wealth 'giving us an upper hand'. And a lot of other families same age background as us / same ages as my uncles and aunts, some of them just left school, did dead end or low paid jobs and live in council houses (some bought, some council owned still). They're not rich, loaded people, but their lives are good. They have access to (within reason) anything they want.
Some (not related to me) similar families to mine do have the odd person who now owns property, invests, or happened to get into programming or business around the 90s and either built it up, or struck it lucky - and ARE loaded. I'm talking mansion houses hidden away not far from here, 7-series. One has a car kept in a bubble, an AMG GT?! There's others - notably less so, sometimes luck, but no doubt from principle from their own choices in life and a bit of intelligence, 'made it'. In my area, maybe NI, you could call those your 1% or at least top 10% earners.
So I've never looked at "the system" or "the 1%" holding us back. At all.
Some of my friends studied construction things in uni, drank a lot, just about scraped through - whereas I studied business and got a 1:1. And they're making a ****-ton more money than I am. But you know what? That's not unfair. Jobs I went for after graduating were low pay, basic and fairly dead end. Those guys are up early, driving half way across NI every week, they are stressed. They are earning their money. There's nothing unfair about it. Nobody to blame.
Recently I started an apprenticeship at the company I've been with for years, I'm on track now to being a software developer so someday in the future I might make fairly decent money. And if I do, that's none other than me working hard - taking an opportunity presented to me - made possible by a 'greedy capitalist' company, who were able to offer it from the 'big bad' UK government who run the scheme...
So I mean, if I ever seem overly sympathetic towards the UK, or the government (despite its idiotic flaws and sometimes idiotic leaders!) - it's because frankly, it's not done any wrong to the widest (personal) viewpoint I have on the world. It's given nothing but continuous opportunities. Even if I ignored or didn't choose them.
But before I did choose the latest one, I didn't sit around blaming billionaires and millionaires saying how unfair society or the economy is. In this country, opportunities are there. The government can be frustrating, but social mobility exists. Look around. We are an average family. Most families have the same level of working up. It begins with taking responsibility and throwing away the notion that the world, society, the 1% are all out to get you and control you or 'keep you down'.
I've got a lot of different political views (and maybe some come from being younger or being from a different background - I don't know) and some might be downright wrong. I always feel guilty when conversations go this way on great forums like FF! Both of you @porta and @vexorg give me some great advice and experience on all things Fiat / cars as well so I hope any political chat doesn't come across wrong / bad / personal btw.
Well this is interesting...
Godwin's Law on a thread about car dealers...
Godwin's Law on a thread about car dealers...
In fairness I don't think me or the other two were the first to bring up VW or Porsche into the conversation ;-) lol
The usual casual racism. But it’s ok because you think you’re being funny
Of Course imagine how stupid someone would look if that made this sort of joke while driving a Japanese car with a German engine, while lusting after an Italian car
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Valid comment. But burning widows shouldnt have needed cessation. Our human compassion has declined very seriously recently. We may be better than some, but as with labour relations we have let things slide to the extent I feel its shameful at best. People gave a lot to make things better and quietly rights and privileges are being eroded here. As to the governments record on consultation, its something else that needs to be watched.
Funny you should bring that up…wehn I left the motor trade, it was to do a degree, in Economic and Social History…godwins law came up many times (and applied long before being named). It’s also used in reverse as if to ‘excuse’ the intent, from Ancient Greece to the rise of fascism now, ‘If the arguments’ going that way, let’s get in there first’ like a self fulfilling prophecy
I might have done, or it might have been on another topic...
(I like Porsche, only ever had one though)
One more than me!
What kind did you have and why did you part with it? Owners of them are usually fanatical! (A little like us bitten by the Italian car bug)
I have never owned a Porsche, though strangely enough there was a Porsche 365 where we lived in the 1960s, a neighbour down the road used to keep one on the street, when even a car there was rare. I remember a country pub in the 1970s that the landlord had a Gull Wing Merc he used to just leave in the carpark.
Not having much money I have only bought cars at the "right price", one I maybe should have bought but didn't was a very tired Maserati BiTurbo in the early 1990s at a general auction, it sold for £70 plus buyers commission etc. Later at home the cheapest one I could see was in Australia for $2000 so there may have a small profit in it
.Just a 944, handled brilliantly since previous owner has spent a fortune getting all the suspension upgraded.
Didn't want to sell it, i has an operation that meant it was painful getting in and out of it as it was so low, wasn't practical for day to day use that i wanted
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Skynet testing the waters: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67005620
Did you see where that car comes from?
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I did see where a driver blamed his Tesla for running into the back of someone…it’s wehn Tesla got found out that the car also videos the driver, he was using his phone…tesla 0, driver 0
Maybe he should have bought an autonomous version.
Reckon we should just keep our eyes on the road…watched that Tim Peeke thing last night, pilotless planes, I don’t think so!Maybe he should have bought an autonomous version.
That’s how they plan to take over, kill us all with their carsDid you see where that car comes from?
Honestly though I don’t know why anyone would buy one of the new “MG” they have literally nothing in common with the MG name, they’re just badly made cheap cars with an MG badge.
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