Tuning 4x4 cross twin air remap
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Tuning 4x4 cross twin air remap
, especially in the mud.
The Panda Nut
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Yehhhh. We KNOW we are the best!
Err, what's a DMF?
£621.51 + VAT if bought from a franchised dealer!
AIUI the DMF was redesigned at some point in the model run; later ones presumably are more durable.
Interestingly there are a lot of LUK flywheels advertised in the marketplace just now (GSF & others) in the £250-£300 range, whereas shop4parts (normally one of the cheapest) want close on £470 for a LUK one. Original vs improved type maybe? who knows? Buyer beware, I think.
And to answer the question, a DMF is a Dual Mass Flywheel. Read all about it here.
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Dual mass flywheel…just had a conversation with two folk that have had very bad experiences with Audis being charged £2500 on top of their clutch replacements…one with a ‘two point gearbox sensor’ replacement but couldn’t describe what they meant, I’ve asked to see their receipt as I’m lost on what they’ve described
Might an impending failure cause resonance and noise beyond what might be expected or does failure create a different effect?
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My experience is that it sends some extra vibrations through the gear change 2-3000 rpm in second and third (I expect they are still there in 4th etc but road noise takes over).
Some report rattles but not my experience my clutch and DMF were GBP 650 installed but this was a while ago now.
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Echoes my recent experience - apart from the cost, which is going to be 4 figures, or very close to, at best!
The Panda Nut
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I am pretty certain its not like that. The ecofunction does not seem to me to be related to fuel mapping, and its taken me a silly amount of time to understand that its a funtion of the TA VVT system as much as anything else. Mt 2019 car is so different to my 2017. The 2017 was very slow in eco and appalling on fuel altogether. The 2019 car is so good in eco I only use the power function part of the time. I have more than enough power to out run our 69hp 1.2s even when these are driven at full chat. Eco off and the TA becomes brisk and is capable of very swift overtakes on main roads.
Clearly the engines can be remapped by specialists and I have read at least 1 good review. As the 4x4 has obvious hand;ing limits especially on winter tyres I have decided that this and the TA system being something that is probably a bit of a wild card in any upgrade to err on the side of caution and not mess with it.
You could talk to these guys who seem to have a good write up
https://www.celtictuning.co.uk/ They clain to be able to do something for a reasonable cost.
Please note you MUST ONLY ever use a 4WD rolling road to test power and all four wheels must be involved at the smae time or you risk damage. There arnt many about and they are as they say kinexpensive.
This is their claimed:
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The Panda Nut
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Yes its tempting as it raises the game to what the 90HP version produced so shouldnt overstress things. I have read nothing to suggest the 90HP engine has any performance advantage at all though. And you have to ask why they dropped it......
Simplicity and commonality over fitment across the range?
The Panda Nut
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Sir, you gest. They cant even use the same radiator or filler cap!!
RANT.
Having supposed differences means its easier to charge for stuff they then just dont supply.... like, may I suggest the much advertised engine in the non existent 90HP Panda Waze 4x4 that never existed out side of Fiats price lists and adverts. But it sounded good in the world wide advertising, and press statements. Fiat just want to confuse, divide and conquer and deceive. Dont suspect anything straight forward from them such as ratinalization.
You may be right. But if you are it was purely accidental.
More like they knew WLTP economy figures were coming and they knew if the engine was measured a little less diabollically dishonestly, for actual economy and emissions the appalling environmental disaster that maquerades under the name of Twinair would look even worse than it does in 83hp form. It is possibly the worst engine ever made in terms of emissions and economy by any reasonable measure. The 90 was probaly off the measurable scale of emissions, so maybe its possible they reduced the number of engines requiring a retest test to spare their embarassment, Logc would suggest they would have retained the 90 and lost the 85 (83) version had something not been adrift. Afyter all its only software that makes the difference.
They rely on, grumpy old, and grouchy old men who still like us who like making farting noises as they drive along (and massive amounts of noise and lots of pollution) who have more money than sense to carry on buying their stuff for nostalgic reasons. They rely on the irrefutable streak of insanity within in our kind to keep them going.
My 2017 car struggled to do 35mpg but was sold as a 67mpg car.... The somewhat stark truth of new emissions tests meant they were shown up and had to reduce it to 37mpg. The embarassing difference with the 90HP version was never exposed to a less inaccurate test so we will never know just how awful it would have been.
Dont get me wrong I totally love the TA and the Panda 4x4 irrespective of Fiats fiundamental lack of moral fibre, but anything Fiat do is to questioned with full conspiracy theory floodlights shone on it, and even then I wouldnt trust their motives. If they do something, watch your wallet. Thank god the 2019 car does more miles on its gallons and appears to have considerably more power too. For the last 35 years before Fiat got me, I would only buy a new car if it used 10% less fuel (as tested) than what I had. I feel deeply guilty about the TA in environmental terms. I justiofy mine in terms of being able to get to distant aging family whenever needed but its a shameful thing really. MAybe tuningbit might make it better??
Back to the thread following my rant...
Im not sure why I have had two cars that were so totally different, but in view of the large variation I would be careful about chipping in case there is something screwy going on the the TA engine management department.
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@The Panda Nut I know what you mean, Fiat group have been doing it since the nineties wehn common engines had different mounts for alternators for instance.
This was even worse over the Fiat/Lancia/Alfa ranges where an extra piece of moulding on plastic/cast/milled part meant you couldn’t fit a Fiat part to a Lancia, despite the basic design, and you’d be charged £50 more for, essentially, the same bit.
The commonality I was referring to is, as you say, the software and the base engine, despite some differences in plastic that cover it…
This was even worse over the Fiat/Lancia/Alfa ranges where an extra piece of moulding on plastic/cast/milled part meant you couldn’t fit a Fiat part to a Lancia, despite the basic design, and you’d be charged £50 more for, essentially, the same bit.
The commonality I was referring to is, as you say, the software and the base engine, despite some differences in plastic that cover it…
burtstyle
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Funny you should post today @The Panda Nut - I enquired last week and booked Celtic this morning, I’ll see how things go and report back when it’s done in a few weeks.
The Panda Nut
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Great, I will be very interested indeed in the result. Make sure they only use a 4 wheel dynamometer. Im pretty sure they made the distinction and knew about tis when I spoke and that would have been 7 years ago now.
burtstyle
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Not sure they offer my vehicle on the dyno, it’s a map they come out and apply. They assure me all testing and tolerances are with vehicle’s capability, suck it and see. I tried to find a 4x4 tuning service but couldn’t wade through the choices as most did not have a dyno when I dug deeper.
The Panda Nut
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Fiat used to do a 90HP version. There is no evidence itmsade any difference to performance though any where I can find.
The diesel 4x4 has 95bhp… but with different clutch, gearbox and power transfer unit. However, propshaft and rear diff all the same as TwinAir version. As well as a touch more power it also has a lot more torque than the petrol version - this suggests the bulk of the 4x4 stuff can indeed take more oomph.
burtstyle
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That’s good to know. I’m slightly unsure what 1st and second will be like…
