Technical 40mm TB - I hate this damn thing!

[Horney]

Everytime I try and fit something else comes up that stops me!

Today I have managed to get the old one off and then I came to fit the new one. Oh but the new one has a sensor missing. Can I remove the old one? Can I hell!!!! The little torque screws are stiff as hell and now have no head left on them but the sensor is half off and I can't do it up again.

Help my car is now not working and I have to go to work tomorrow!!!!!

Nick

 

[custard]

cut a goove in the head and remove it with a screw driver.

 

[Horney]

No can do, don't have a saw and they are properly stuck.

Fiat stealership want 105 + VAT for a new one which I don't have so the car is now off the road till I can sort out a replacement.

I suggest anyone who orders one of these from tricker makes sure they can get their old sensors off first or it'll cost you the sam as the TB again to get your car back on the road!

I know have to use the missus car which means she has to work 2 hrs overtime every day till I get back and can pick her up. As you can imagine I'm Mr unpopular!

Nick

 

[Horney]

Oh yeah it's the idle control valve that is stuck!

Nick

 

[J333EVO]

can you put up a pic as I had to take nothing off mine as the TB comes in 2 parts, just unclip the top prt with eth injector in it and clip it on to bottom part as its only top part tat is machined. this also saves in postage as its lighter.

Aaron.

 

[Badger_Benji]

No the ICV is on the part that tricker sends, if you cut the head completely off the sensor should then come out and all you need is another bolt

 

[Horney]

Here is the offending part on the one on the left and not on the one on the right!

Sorry Badger, do't get waht you mean?

Nick

 

[Horney]

Right well the WD40 seems to have loosened them enough to tighten them back up so I'm putting the old TB back on and flogging this 40mm one as I can no longer be bothered with the hassle or the grief from the Mrs for fiddling with it.

Nick

 

[magijamarko]

A quick question...the thin pipe that goes from the tb-into the air filter box-how big is the hole in it??And where do you plug it in??The rhingy with the big hole(on the filter box) or the thingy with the small hole(again on the filter box)no dirty thoughts please...
And then one goes from the box to the control thingy up front, for warm/cold air...How big is the hole here...??
The problem is, i was driwing with a huge air filter, and only made about 350km/tank... WHICH IS HORIBLE:....And now i changed back to the box filter...
I miss the roar
Any other ideas why such a big consumption???I try to driwe gently...
Thanx....and sory for off topix...
Marko

 

[Badger_Benji]

The two bolts holding in the Idle Control Valve if you cut the heads of them, the valve can then be removed and all you then need to do is to source two new bolts.

 

[Horney]

Well having calmed down and had a cup of tea I'm feeling slightly less cross!

What I'm gonna do is try and source an ICV from somewhere and fit it to the 40mm TB then it's just a straight swap.

I understand your idea Badger_Benji but it's my everyday car and if I fluff it I need to be able to put it back together right away or I can't get to work.

Nick

 

[Horney]

BTW refitted old one and all is cool and she runs again.

Nick

 

[cinqsandminis]

You should be able to grip the head of the knackered bolt with a vice grips and free it. A little knowledge is always dangerous and you are attempting a slightly more involved task than just changing a bulb. Not having a saw suggests you probably don't have much in the line of tools and this will always cause grief when things go inevitably wrong.

I'm glad you got it sorted - but the problem is unlikely to be a result of trickers engineering and more to be a result of........(insert your name here) hamfistedness? I do a lot of work on older cars and with the exception of a badly cross-threaded engine mount bolt, I have never had a problem with a fastener on a Cinq.

Treat yourself to a good allen key set and some proper screwdrivers and stay out of the cutlery drawer when working on your car... Don't give up though - we all had to go through this when we started working on cars - you're not alone.

 

[Horney]

You should be able to grip the head of the knackered bolt with a vice grips and free it. A little knowledge is always dangerous and you are attempting a slightly more involved task than just changing a bulb. Not having a saw suggests you probably don't have much in the line of tools and this will always cause grief when things go inevitably wrong.

I'm glad you got it sorted - but the problem is unlikely to be a result of trickers engineering and more to be a result of........(insert your name here) hamfistedness? I do a lot of work on older cars and with the exception of a badly cross-threaded engine mount bolt, I have never had a problem with a fastener on a Cinq.

Treat yourself to a good allen key set and some proper screwdrivers and stay out of the cutlery drawer when working on your car... Don't give up though - we all had to go through this when we started working on cars - you're not alone.

I quite agree with you. I assume from your user name that you like minis. Me too, I've had 3 and so has the Mrs and I have rebuilt 2 over the last few years including full engine and gearbox rebuilds. I know what I'm doing and I do have the correct tools but living in a 1 bedroom flat with no garage means I have to make do with un ideal situations at times. Like no bench vice or a power cord long enough to take power tools out to the car.

I do have a saw but not one which will get into the small space required in this case and yes I could easily get one from halfrauds but I'm not inclined to start cutting bolt heads off as that leads to no way back if things go wrong. Also one of these screws is in a very hard to reach place and would need some very small vice grips to get on it and be able to move it. Again I could buy these and have a go but I decided not to try and break it. Even the Fiat dealership confessed they have had the same problem replacing faulty valves and have to drill the bolts out.

At no point did I question Tricker engineering, infact I will stand up and say quite the opposite. The workmanship on my TB is superb and I wish he could make something similar for my Mrs's MPI cooper as the plastic TB on that is rubbish! My post above may have seemed a dig at Tricker but this was not so and I apologise if it came across that way. This is the third time I have tried to fit this TB and I have been thwarted yet again. Frustration gets to the best of us eventually especially when in practice it is an easy job. However experiance has taught me that sometimes the easier jobs are harder than the hard ones! Mini clutch peddle Clevis Pin for example, should be a doddle but you end up being a contorsionest and swearing as you back breaks.

Hey ho these things are sent to try us so I shall keep my chin up and soldier on.

Nick

 

[HP]

Get a dremel or cheap facsimile thereof.
Cut a slot in said bolt head.
Use a ratchet with screwdriver bit in, exerting a fair amount of pressure straight down onto the bolt head to undo.
When it starts to come, work it in and out as you undo it.

I sympathise, these little torx screws in the tb can be a proper bitch when they get stuck.

 

[gaz.d]

my tb never came with any of them black bits attached to them, i had to undo them - i swore alot

allen key never shifted any of them, i had to use one of them star thingys (technical ) , luckily i had one in the toolbox after removing my bumpers, make sure it the right size one cause a smaller one will just round the inside off and then you will swear even more

 

[Horney]

make sure it the right size one cause a smaller one will just round the inside off and then you will swear even more

I rounded em with the right size one they are stuck in that fast. Didn't wanna try too much heat on it as I didn't want to damage it but used plenty of WD40 and 3 in 1 and still no joy!

Nick

 

[GhostWKD]

Hmmm think i've got one sitting on my old 30mm tb, will see if i can get it off and bring along to ace (if your going )

 

[stinkyparp]

i have learnt over the course of many, many years as a motorcycle mechanic that, if you plan to work on a vehicle and its needed the next day etc. then problems will ALWAYS come along .
if you plan on it taking two hours for a job, budget on two days the job will ALWAYS go better, never,ever rush a job cause it needs to go back on the road etc this ALWAYS LEADS TO TROUBLE.
but also a problem solved like this stands you in goo stead next time.
a bolt or head of a bolt will break or round off at some point, try a set of fifteen year old carbs from a kawasaki! the drill is out all the time for these, but the screws are made of cheese, always have been, always will be.

 

[Horney]

Hmmm think i've got one sitting on my old 30mm tb, will see if i can get it off and bring along to ace (if your going )

Cheers mate, not sure I'm gonna make it tonight as I'm still feeling poorly with a stomach bug! Jamie is also trying to sort me one out.

You guys rock :slayer: .

Cheers,

Nick