Technical 2005 Panda Possible clutch problem

[Ritchie Ritch]

Hi peeps,

I was hoping somebody might be able to give me some advice on a clutch issue I am having with a 2005 Panda 1.2

I purchased the car privately a few days ago and was informed by the previous owner that there is a slight issue with the clutch. Basically on occasion when I change gear the engine revs increase but nothing goes to the transmission. I would usually suspect a worn clutch but the previous owner informed me that the clutch was recently replaced.
It doesn't happen too often and if I change gears slowly it all works fine. Just on occasion when I change gear there is a period where the revs rise but there is no power.
Do people think this is a sign of a worn clutch?

I can get a new clutch kit cheaply enough, but I have never replaced a clutch before. Although I am happy to give it a go. The car was cheap enough.
Does anybody know of, or have any step by step guides for this?

Many thanks in advance

 

[varesecrazy]

Hi

More likely its the hydraulics at fault

IF it does have a new friction plate

 

[koalar]

all gears ? or mainly First ?

how do you get drive back ?

does the gearstick jump back a bit ?

any judder as you release the clutch ?

manual or dualogic ?

 

[DaveMcT]

Mine had a delayed action when the clutch was worn but it never caused clutch slip. The friction plate was ok but the pressure plate was notched.

I would check out the hydraulics if it's a British car or the cable if its not. Worn master cylinder seals suck in air. Shop carefully, some masters are sold at silly prices. You can get the master without pipe for about £50. Slaves should be around £35.

 

[Ritchie Ritch]

Hi all,

Many thankthe quick replies. I wasn't expecting to hear back from anybody for weeks, if at all.

It's a difficult one to try and describe. It only happens on occasion and not in a specific gear. I have just noticed on occasion that as I am accelerating and change up a gear the engines revs will rise but there will be no transmission. I either release the accelerator or drop back into neutral and then put the car back in gear and it usually sorts itself out. Sometimes if I just reduce the engine revs a bit it corrects itself.
No judder from the gears, or stick. And it's a manual.

It is a British car and I haven't considered the hydraulics yet. I might change the master cylinder over of it isn't going to be a particularly expensive job and see if that makes a difference.
It's not too much of an issue at the moment so I can live with it. I was just wondering if anybody else had experienced anything similar.

many thanks again

 

[varesecrazy]

Does the clutch pedal action feel light or heavy..

That will be sign

The cheaper of the hydraulic parts sits on top of the gearbox..under the battery

Have a good look at it.. no leaks.. no foreign junk in the way?

 

[koalar]

as I am accelerating and change up a gear the engines revs will rise but there will be no transmission. I either release the accelerator

I would be surprise if thats anything other than clutch slip.


I am surprised you can't smell it


Most likely its worse on heavy acceleration in 4th or 5th


Google "test for clutch slipping" there's probably better ways than I use


away from any traffic I drive around 40 mph in 5th. Lower the clutch, raise the revs and lift the foot of the clutch suddenly while using the right foot to try and maintain the higher revs


If its really bad just accelerating hard in 4th and 5th is normally enough to make the revs rise without an increase in road speed.

 

[DaveMcT]

I could be an oil leak. Usually that will cause the clutch to judder but not always.

Listen to the clutch area engine running in neutral. is there any noise?

Get someone to put the clutch pedal down. A noise (rattle, whatever) that goes away with pedal down, points to a worn input shaft bearing in the gearbox. That could lead to an oil leak.

If there is more noise with the clutch pedal down and quiet with it up, you have a release bearing issue.

 

[tefjalestad]

Hi, I also have some issues with my clutch.

Problem 1 and 2: I had some terrible knocking and screaching sounds from what I thought was the left wheel, also only happened when turning right, so my diagnosing said CV axle/joint. Ordered an outer CV joint, but got a faulty part. Had I known, I would have bought the whole axle, since it is easier to change and also quite cheap. Also the CV joint circlip pin was damaged, but I put it together for testing. When testing the whole axle fell off, due to the circlip, but the strange thing is that the screaching and knocking sounds continues! Could this sound actually come from the transmission or differential? I have not done anything to the inner joint(tripod and tripod-sleeve thingy). I thought it was very strange that it makes the sound without axle and force to the bearing.

Problem 3: When I had put it together for the testing, it would not properly engage in first gear. From my memory, there were no problems with running it thru the gears, the problem is that the clutch seems to slip when in first and second(not enough power in higher gears to slip). When engaging first and second, it just eases out like a variomatic. RPM increase but speed is just slowly increasing. I guess you cold also hold it on the E-brake and releasing the clutch at the same time. Question is about reason for this. Clutch could of course be gone, but there were no issues prior to the "repair of the CV axle.. Read in this thread that it could be due to hydraulic or pedal issues, but if there is issues here, wouldn't the clutch always engage, but have issues with disengaging and changing gears? I do not want to go thru the work with changing out the clutch if it is not needed.

Anyone have some info on the clutch and cv-axle/diff knocking screaching sounds?

 

[koalar]

tefjalestad I dont know what it could be yet. Need a bit more information

when it makes the screeching noise. Does it go quiet if you dip the clutch.

when it makes the screeching noise. Does it go quiet if you dab the brakes


lift the nearside wheels and check the bearings for play


is there oil in the gearbox ? is any oil dripping onto the floor

 

[tefjalestad]

Thanks koalar !

The screeching noise is only when I go very slow, kina like grinding metal parts. So I thought the bearing or CV joint was dry/broken, but it seemed okay.

The banging/apache helicopter sounds from the axle/wheel is at its worst when coasting or just idling, but when braking or accelerating(if a Panda 1.2 actually accelerates) the sound will go away. So as long as it is tentioned, there is no sound.

I have bot yet checked any oil level, since I was so sure it was the CV joint because it is "OK" when turning left, bad when gong straight and terrible when turning right.

 

[koalar]

still not sure what it could be

you mention at idle ?

is there any noise when stationary? Wheels not turning ?

nothing obvious is jumping out from the symptoms, which is strange ?

Doesn't sound like a common failures unless I am missing/forgetting something.

 

[DaveMcT]

CV joints are noisy at full lock. You need to check the rubber boots on all four. Any that are spit will have spattered grease all around so should be easy to spot.

Screeching could be a worn to the metal brake possibly with worn wheel bearing. Also check the brake dust covers as these can trap stones or get bent onto a disc.