1st pics of Celica GT4 ST205

[GhostWKD]

two turbos? please dont be another person thinking twin entry turbo means 2 turbos :bang:

 

[J333EVO]

Only 255brake from 2turbos? Should ahve got a Pulsar

Single turbo twin entry, and 255bhp is standard which is more than a GTiR has.

I love all the homologation specials, integrale, Quattro's, Cosworths, E30 M3's, Mercedes 190 Cosworth EVO (first car to ever use EVO name) Imprezza's, GTiRs, Celica's, Mitsi EVO's, but there's a reason why a Pulsar can be had for the price of a 2nd hand integrale EVO2 interior and that's desirability which normally stems from the success that car achieved in competition, the GTiR achieved none, Nissan pulled out very quickly when they knew they had built a car that couldn't be competitive.

I'd still have one, but it would be kept standard but with decent brakes fitted (they are rubbish) and nice wheels and nothing else.

 

[dannygp]

I admit to being a thick **** then due to brief reading. Should have noticed no S on the turbo.

Wanted to see your hostality towards my comment. Wanted to wait before telling you yours in more of a head turner than a "Sunny." And your paint job is, from what i can see gleeming. However I would choose the Pulsar Just so much easier to break 300bhp+

Pulsar standard........5.4 but i reckon about 6. (Google lies and not on Parkers)
GT4 standard......6.1

Would be hellish race though.

 

[J333EVO]

No hostility, but 300bhp is easy in a Celica, though I will be keeping my standard.

Fensports Corolla running GT4 running gear and engine makes over 700bhp and was timed at Bruntingthorpe at 202mph, so I think the engine is good for it.

Though they all pale into insignificance when you see the Greek integrale running 1100bhp at the wheels, so about 1300bhp at flywheel pretty decent from an old 2L.

I have a period magazine article from 1992 old Performace Car mag IIRC and it pitches a Sunny GTiR against an integrale and an Escort Cosworth, needless to say the integrale came first the Sunny last.

As with most mags in those days they used timing gear to get all the performance times, from 0-60 0-100 and all in gear increments etc etc and the Sunny was actually pretty quick 0-60 (though without digging it out can't remember off hand what it was) then fell away from the others which also had much better in gear times. Where it was really let down was the chassis and brakes which handling wise couldn't come close to the other two.

PS the GT4 time you have is an older model the last model ST205 UK model which had 239bhp@6000rom 223lb ft@4000rpm is listed as 5.2 0-60 in EVO mag with a kerb weight of 1496kgs, a JDM like mine has 255bhp @6000rpm and 225lb gt@4000rom and weighs a bit lighter at 1404kgs, so it will be as quick as the UK model if not quicker, but as with any 4WD car, to replicate those times you got to be totally unsympathetic to the drive train. The Celica by virtue of its better aerodynamics will run to 150mph, whereas the hatchback rally cars generally run out of steam about 135ish, torque for acceleration, bhp V's Cd gives top end roughly speaking. this is why the Fiat Coupe is so quick as well above 100mph as it also benefits from a slippery shape.

And using EVO mag as same source data;

Sunny GTiR 220bhp@6400rom and 197lb ft4800rpm 0-60 6.1secs 1269kgs
integrale EVO 210bhp@5750rom 224lb ft@3500rpm 0-60 5.7secs 1350kgs
Escort Cosworth 227bhp@6250rpm 224lb ft@3500rpm 0-60 5.8secs 1304kgs
Sierra Cosworth 4X4 220bhp@6250rpm 210bhp@3500rpm 1267kgs 6.6 0.60 1267kgs
Original Impreza 215bhp@5600rpm 214lb ft@4000rom 0-60 5.4secs 1235kgs

So as you can standard there's very little between all the homologation cars from that era, they all had to have 2L turbo engines, all 4WD, all in competition spec weigh 1300kgs. The only tell tail factor is the Nissan produces less torque higher up rev range which would explain its lower in gear times, than cars producing more torque lower down rev range.

The problem Nissan had in the day was the intercooler position was hopeless, Nissan didn't realise that in those days you couldn't move the intercooler from its road going position so they were stuck with it there and it became known as interwarmer as on longer stages the cars started loosing power because of it. This also affected Subaru but the rules changed allowing componenets like intercooler to be moved, hence why all the successful Subaru rally cars had front mount cooler wit the vent on bonnet being left so it represented the road cars, I'm sure I read they wanted to move it on road cars but it had become such a recognisable feature on the car they were forced to leave it from public pressure.

 

[GhostWKD]

I admit to being a thick **** then due to brief reading. Should have noticed no S on the turbo.

Wanted to see your hostality towards my comment. Wanted to wait before telling you yours in more of a head turner than a "Sunny." And your paint job is, from what i can see gleeming. However I would choose the Pulsar Just so much easier to break 300bhp+

Pulsar standard........5.4 but i reckon about 6. (Google lies and not on Parkers)
GT4 standard......6.1

Would be hellish race though.

just to clarify no hostility in my comment either just the number of people who think twin entry turbo = twin turbo really does make me bang head against wall

 

[dannygp]

I have to say, that is the most interesting piece of info i have read for quite a long time. Facts and Figures are spot on what i was looking for

Thanks

Edit: Scim read.....twin.........turbo

 

[fingers99]

Magnificent!

I think if I were in any kind of position to buy one from that era, I'd take the Integrale, with the Mitsubishi Evo as second choice (it may be more practical than the 'grale, even faster, but God it's ugly!).

But I think the Stratos would suit me more: sexiest car ever made, earlier era to suit my advanced years, much slower (likewise). There must be one out there somewhere with a blown engine, or that someone has wrapped round a tree, or burnt out....................:yum:

 

[Munkul]

having seen this one, i think id pick it out of ANY of the homologation cars, for the looks

 

[J333EVO]

I think I am right in saying its only Coupe used in modern ear of WRC and many think its best looking one, so you are not alone.

Here's some Stratos' from London2Brighton last year for Fingers

 

[fingers99]

Thanks: I'll print it off and stick it on the wall next to my signed pic of Munari in the Strat!

There are a lot of little vids of the Strat on You Tube which I've been slowly collecting (no bandwidth!)

 

[J333EVO]

And you may have found this before, but this is the Chequered Flag Stratos that Emma's Dad worked on.

http://www.stratossupersite.com/FlagStratos.htm

 

[fingers99]

Yes, that one I came across a couple of days ago and thought of Jon.

You know, that engine looks like it'd fit in the back of a Cinq far easier than an Alfa V6! Anyone got a Ferrari Dino V6 engine and box they don't want?

 

[J333EVO]

Some more pics of interior. It has rare JDM Celica Hyper sports mats, JDM s/s sill guards, TRD gearknob, Blitz Turbo Timer, and my custom made dial kit from www.skewer.co.uk and some custom made clear front indicators and high level brake light from again a UK company http://www.protocast.co.uk/

 

[J333EVO]

 

[pingu]

very nice mate. do like them in white.

 

[jamie86]

Your knob looks wonky

 

[J333EVO]

Tis actually angled slightly towards driver meaning it falls perfectly to hand. The rod has a slight S bend to it to create this.

 

[jamie86]

Ahh so you can cup the ball neatly in your hand... I get it

 

[dave]

i'm not allowed near white things

 

[jug]

i just realised something, this is the first jap car from that era where i dont hate the seat pattern. dont get me wrong, it isnt a great pattern, but it isnt horrible either; which is amazing!!