Technical 100hp ECU Wiring

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Technical 100hp ECU Wiring

timmchugh11

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Has anybody got an engine ECU pinout diagram?

I have got an AEM Fuel/Ignition Controller and I can't seem to find a clear ECU pinout to help me install it.

I've searched this forum and google and found this but I don't know what is what on the diagrams,

https://www.fiatforum.com/panda/199375-100hp-ecu-wiring-diagram.html

Can anybody point me in the right direction??
 
There's no reason for it not too, all it does is reads the sensor, cam sensor, map sensor ect
Then intercepts the signals going to and from the original ecu to add more (or less) fuel and ignition timing. Just need to know what wire goes where lol
 
youd think itd be easy in theory but in practice the 100hp ecu is a tricky nut to crack so it seems and is sensitive to any changes in circuitry e.t.c. hopefully itll work though so please keep us posted m8
 
Well some people have got a dastek unichip to work and there's a company in italy that sell a kit for the 100hp with full installation instructions.

I've mailed them, but I've not yet a reply.
 
The ones I've looked at don't, the are either spliced into some wires or the intercept some.
 
Well some people have got a dastek unichip to work and there's a company in italy that sell a kit for the 100hp with full installation instructions.

I've mailed them, but I've not yet a reply.

I have a Dastek UNI-Q (+ what they all an iDriver specifically to fly the injectors) on my supercharged 1.2 8v 4x4 and it took an age to work out the pin-outs correctly. Fortunately I had the eLearn workshop manual, but I don't think that covers the 1.4 16v unfortunately. I fear you'll have to look towards the Bosch documentation for more info (the 1.2's run the Magnetti Marelli ECU).

The biggest issue you may hit (as indeed I did) is that the OEM ECU will possibly stay on CLOSED loop the entire time, meaning that it will solely use lambda for setting AFR's, regardless of what you might try to interpret and 'adjust' in the AEM Fuel Pooter. If the stock ECU wants 14.7 then it'll keep adjusting until it gets it. It was very hard to get the thing to run OPEN loop and use its 3D map in the ECU. This of course is how 'normal' remaps happen - tuners simply modify the 3D Map that is used when on OPEN loop and optimise parameters to make (smallish) gains as appropriate - leaving CLOSED loop untouched.

Most normal ECUs go OPEN loop at say 50-60% load/throttle and then no longer run off lambda, as the 3D map then provides mapped parameters. This is all well and good if you can crack the ECU to re-jig those 3D maps. But as JUSDEL says, the 100HP is very hard and none of us are entirely convinced it's ever been done properly. We fried one ECU in my car trying to re-jig the 3D map..... these things are getting much more tricky to do.

For what it's worth, we had to do a lot of jiggery-pokery with the power/sensor leads to the lambdas on my car to get the ECU into OPEN loop when needed, which is not ideal and I am still looking for an alternative in truth.

Sorry to ramble, but you started it! (y)
 
I bought the aem because they say that the F/IC changes what value the factory ecu sees for the lamda sensor??

The cars controller manages this by dithering about stoich. The FIC can override this signal with a programmable square-wave to keep the car ECU from seeing other changes that are being made to the fuel injectors or MAF.
 
This sounds reasonable and in truth I did not try this approach, as the Daskteck fundamentally does the same. But the Lambda's on Panda's are narrow-band only, so they flip up and down all the time between about 0.9 and 1.1 volts as it passes back signals for the ECU to interpret about AFR. That's why they are so sensitive and where the stories of fuelling going to pot after a bit of technical re-wiring which induces noise into the wiring (like fitting aftermarket HIDs with feed wires going near the ECU harness).

Either way, I might also look at trying one of these, depending upon how you get on perhaps!(y) So please keep us informed.

Remember that my issue is somewhat more fundamental, in that in a forced induction engine at full throttle, I want 12.8:1 or thereabouts, which is far richer than an NA motor would be programmed to use. My 2 bar MAP sensor keeps the MAP voltage within bounds, but the OEM ECU still gets mightly upset at seeing +ve boost rather than atmospheric.

What make/model is that AEM thing - do you have a link out of interest?
 
Just started a new job so this is my first weekend off in 5 weeks so not as of yet, I'm still looking for some wiring diagrams, apparently dastek uk have got a full English instruction manual for wiring there piggyback ecu's to the panda 100hp, I'll have to try and pry a copy off them :)
 
am also wondering if the ecu from the tjet fiat 500 would be a straight swap and recognise all the bits on the 100hp-if i put a 2 bar map sensor on mine then it may recognise the turbo and be remapped easily-am currently investigating!
 
does anyone know if the ecu (virgin one of course) from a 500 t-jet 1.4 (134bhp) could be used in a panda in conjunction with a map sensor? theyre about 300 quid arent they-plus remap about 600 all told?
 
it would be if it was virgin ecu m8 or reset. does anyone know whether the ecu from a fiat 500 1.4 t-jet (135bhp) would fit a panda 100hp?

Ideally you'll need a copy of the t-jet ecu pin out and the fire pin out and compare the two also compare all sensors/etc... -More than likely not identical but similar..


The AEM F/IC could be run but you will need to wire in the lambda sensors then match the waveform to that of standard, then the standard ecu won't detect the increased fuel ratio.

-Andy
 
still looking for a solution to this before going down the aem f/ic route. not sure where id get pin out diagrams of both ecu's. i have however sourced an essesse remap lol
 
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