Hi guys wondered if someone can help.I said id ask here as the stilo guys are good here...(ihave both a stilo jtd and coupe 20vt)
A specialist on fccuk (fiat coupe owners club) has transplanted a 2.4 abarth engine into a coupe with a 5 speed manual
The thread is here if interested
http://www.fccuk.org/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1217313#Post1217313

Presently it is running the coupe's vis ecu due to the abarth's ecu intergrated system with various components including selespeed.

Ecu remapping is now available via here
http://www.fcperformance.co.uk/

currently the car is running lumpy etc due to the coupes 2.0 vis ecu...
He requires a map from a manual 2.4 abarth if possible..basically pull the map from the car so it can be copied and tweaked for use.
If anyone is able to help in the Bristol area he is willing to pay for a dyno run for there car in the area.

A request really but could help tuning options for the 2.4 vis engines as over on fccuk owners are really pushing boundaries with regards to tuning.

More info on vis tuning

http://www.fccuk.org/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1190049#Post1190049
If anyone can help pm me or respond here.

Thanks guys

Tuning the 2.4 isn't new here, u should see around 185-190 that's where the standard injectors will run out of steam.

I've changed my injectors from the standard 176cc for 200cc. I have been looking for someone who can remap my car for ages, now I have somewhere i can try.

Other thing to try are a alfa gta injectors and maf , and a throttle body from a 4.2 maserati. But not sure if that works of not, there was someone claiming to have done that but there was never any graphs to show the results.

I carnt help with a standard file because I mapped already, one thing I do no is there are lots of different standard files not sure if that will make any difference to you though.

viggers said:

Tuning the 2.4 isn't new here, u should see around 185-190 that's where the standard injectors will run out of steam.

I've changed my injectors from the standard 176cc for 200cc. I have been looking for someone who can remap my car for ages, now I have somewhere i can try.

Other thing to try are a alfa gta injectors and maf...

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Hi there Viggers

Just a quick question, may be an old boring one but I still want to fire away as I am interested in what you have mentioned above, the fuel injectors that you have upgraded and fitted where did you purchase them from if they were non Alfa GTA? would you recommend the Alfa equipment as a better choice?

And do you or have you fitted an air induction system to your 2.4? if so what is your opinion and advice on what brands to stay away from and look in to as a good investment?

coupedummy said:

Hi guys wondered if someone can help.I said id ask here as the stilo guys are good here...(ihave both a stilo jtd and coupe 20vt)

He requires a map from a manual 2.4 abarth if possible..basically pull the map from the car so it can be copied and tweaked for use.

If anyone can help pm me or respond here.

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If you guys have anybody down my way who has the kit to extract the map correctly and safely, then i dont mind helping you out.

Ballackcanavaro99 said:

Hi there Viggers

And do you or have you fitted an air induction system to your 2.4? if so what is your opinion and advice on what brands to stay away from and look in to as a good investment?

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Never mind ey found the relevant threads

https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/256049-abarth-induction-kit.html
https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/152457-abarth-performance-tuning-6.html

but if you have any other opinions please fire away

On the subject of injectors, you might find this thread of interest. A long one, but some useful stuff...

https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/231385-my-abarth-project-bits-bobs.html

The frustrating thing was, we never got to hear what, if any, improvement GTA injectors made, before he decided to sell the car!

An x member here placed the orginal 2.4 file here
http://www.chiptuners.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6037&hilit=Stilo+Abarth

I went for a K & N Typhoon on my Abarth in the end and I'm happy with it, slight improvement in throttle response, no obvious loss of torque and a nice sound when you give it some.
As far as mods are concerned I think I'll call it a day with the induction kit and s/s exhaust... don't want to push my luck with the rather fragile 2.4!

jackson74 said:

...don't want to push my luck with the rather fragile 2.4!

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Some evidence for your description of the 2.4 as 'fragile' would be welcome. There seems to be folk lore on here that the 2.4 gives up at the slightest strain. But I've never heard any hard facts, and all the evidence points the other way - that a properly serviced engine with a good quality oil will run and run...

Yellow Peril said:

On the subject of injectors, you might find this thread of interest. A long one, but some useful stuff...

https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/231385-my-abarth-project-bits-bobs.html

The frustrating thing was, we never got to hear what, if any, improvement GTA injectors made, before he decided to sell the car!

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Thanks very much Yellow Peril

It seems that as far as the 2.4 Stilo/Lancia engine goes it is limited as to what people have actually tried and tested I suppose, still I am not after any radical changes or hardcore tunning as without a....dear i say it turbo conversion you can only go so far.

jackson74 said:

I went for a K & N Typhoon on my Abarth in the end and I'm happy with it, slight improvement in throttle response, no obvious loss of torque and a nice sound when you give it some.

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Good to hear that and it seems that the BMC CDA induction kit has seen better days for reviews the K&N kit has a steep price as all the other available kits have for a small sample of silicone piping and an air filter in my views, but it sure beats the price mark of the BMC, just slighty lol.

It would be interesting to hear from Viggers as to what type and make of injectors he has purchased and installed and what kind of difference it has made overall, was it worth the investment or perhaps not

Maybe it is just folklore but theres certainly a fair few people on here who have had their 2.4 give up, especially after modding. As you say, hopefully keeping it well serviced should ensure it lasts the course.

As far as the price of the Typhoon I found it was much cheaper on Ebay from U.S. sellers even inc. p+p. Didn't fancy having to import one though so simply contacted a U.K. seller and asked if they could 'price match'... and they did, bit cheeky but if you dont ask you dont get!

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Maybe it is just folklore but theres certainly a fair few people on here who have had their 2.4 give up, especially after modding.

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Sorry to be picky Jackson, but you've only been a member on here since April 2009, so do you mind me asking who these 'fair few' people are? 'Cos as a 2.4 owner myself, I'd have paid special attention to anyone reporting that their engine had blown up, believe me!

Im using bosch 0 280 155 712 blue injectors.

some info on them and what cars they can be found on.

http://www.eter-mot.info/?49,wtryskiwacz-0280155712-br-bosch-0-280-155-712

And a set for sale on e-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VECTRA-V6-2-5...arts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item56442326da

They are cheaper and more available than gta injectors. Which is best? who knows until some fits them then gets remapped and finds out. The reason i when for these over the ones fitted to gta's is to play safe. Adding more fuel is only going to work if the induction system can flow enough air for the fuel, if it carnt you will loose power. With this i mind and the cost's of the gta injectors if it didnt work, i think i payed about £50 for the set of recons not £100 plus for a set of used gta injectors. And then the is the other problem im having, finding someone reliable who can custom remap my car.

Yellow Peril said:

Sorry to be picky Jackson, but you've only been a member on here since April 2009, so do you mind me asking who these 'fair few' people are? 'Cos as a 2.4 owner myself, I'd have paid special attention to anyone reporting that their engine had blown up, believe me!

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Blimey you really have a got a bee in your bonnet about it haven't you!
I actually agree with you that sensible driving and regular servicing should result in no problems

I don't have the time to go trawling through the 100's of past threads but I've definitely read people on here saying their 2.4 has let go, there was one reply stating this in a thread I started about possible mods.
I also keep a close eye on ebay motors for any spares I might be after and have seen a few Abarths breaking due to engine failure.

Oh, and my heartfelt apologies for ONLY being a member for 2 years, I've actually had my Abarth for almost 4 years but only got on the internet a couple of years ago!

I "sort of" agree with jackson.

From what I've read people don't tune the Abarth's because the engine can't take it. Those that have seem to experience problems.

The only evidence I can find is you dont see many tuned Abarths, I guess because the non turbo engine isn't as tuneable as other versions and the selespeed box is a nightmare without pushing extra horses through it.

Plenty of tuned "tractors", 1.6's and 1.8's. Even a few 1.2's and 1.4's but very few, if any Abarths.

Here's a dead one for £750
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2003-FIAT-STILO-20V-ABARTH-SEMI-AUTO-SPARES-REPAIR-/320704846170

EDIT.

Mate the 2.4 20v is a derivative of fiats old 20 20vt coupe lump, being honest the longer stroke and larger CC will throw a rod if you look at either charging on standard internals,

I'd at least look at a short throw crank, lower comp and uprated conrods and forge pistons, one reason i think fiat kept the 2.4 N/a engine quite tame 170bhp isnt efficient for a 2.4lt lump being honest!
http://forum.octanestyling.com/ftopic4178.php&sid=a86a479d8e2d593c72721d4dd8a561ca

viggers said:

Im using bosch 0 280 155 712 blue injectors.

some info on them and what cars they can be found on.

http://www.eter-mot.info/?49,wtryskiwacz-0280155712-br-bosch-0-280-155-712

And a set for sale on e-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VECTRA-V6-2-5...arts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item56442326da

They are cheaper and more available than gta injectors. Which is best? who knows until some fits them then gets remapped and finds out. The reason i when for these over the ones fitted to gta's is to play safe. Adding more fuel is only going to work if the induction system can flow enough air for the fuel, if it carnt you will loose power. With this i mind and the cost's of the gta injectors if it didnt work, i think i payed about £50 for the set of recons not £100 plus for a set of used gta injectors. And then the is the other problem im having, finding someone reliable who can custom remap my car.

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Flaming good post there Viggers
Very useful info there indeed and time to start making some plans I suppose, we will hopefully be meeting soon as the shoot is coming to its final stages of prep...I hope

Yellow Peril said:

Sorry to be picky Jackson, but you've only been a member on here since April 2009, so do you mind me asking who these 'fair few' people are? 'Cos as a 2.4 owner myself, I'd have paid special attention to anyone reporting that their engine had blown up, believe me!

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Since reading the second or third lol embedded discussion in this thread I have taken some time to do some Forum research and have found some threads which are relevant to what jackson74 has been stating, most speak of con rod and engine bearings failure.

I am absolutely with you tho Yellow Peril on the subject of engine maintenance, 2 to three oil changes a year depending on what yearly mileage you carry out and 1 full yearly service will keep any engine healthy and happy. Also what I bear in mind is how to drive a car, if you treat it like s*** and rag the thing around constantly under high revs, quick shifting you gear box to its last drop of oil then simply dont expect you car and its components to take the abuse for ever.

https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/145805-i-need-engine-my-2-4-stilo-abarth-can-anyone-help.html
https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/163523-fiat-stilo-2-4-20v-engine-gear-box.html
https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/197235-unhapy-stilo-2-4-abarth.html
and a really old one
https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/1856-engine-blow-up-stilo-abarth.html

jackson74 said:

Blimey you really have a got a bee in your bonnet about it haven't you!

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No offence meant on your length of membership. And I don't really have a bee about this - but when people keep telling you your engine's a piece of poo and will give up at any time, I appreciate evidence, so that if steps can be taken to avoid it...I take them!

Overall, the picure seems to be if you avoid turbocharging and excessive re-mapping and service well, disaster should be avoided.

I suspect that the 2.4l isnt tuned very much over the smaller NA engines because by the time you get to the age you can drive one you realise that easy bolt on mods and remaps are all snake oil. For NA engines at least.

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Overall, the picure seems to be if you avoid turbocharging and excessive re-mapping and service well, disaster should be avoided.

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So would you agree that tuning options for the Abarth are limited because, like jackson74 said, Abarth engines are a little "fragile"?

volxstu said:

I suspect that the 2.4l isnt tuned very much over the smaller NA engines because by the time you get to the age you can drive one you realise that easy bolt on mods and remaps are all snake oil.

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By the time you get to the age you can drive one you realise a "tractor"(150 Sporting) is a much better option.

:devil: Haha back onto this one. :devil: Its all well and good until you hit a corner. The Tractor will fall ass over tit whilst the GP Schumi glides round with 2 fingers out the window

I did massive research on tuning cars. Diesels are not fun and easy around town. Anything else and you wanna go faster... Buy a faster car or prepare to bend over and let your bank balance rape you for £10's of 0000's

Shadeyman said:

So would you agree that tuning options for the Abarth are limited because, like jackson74 said, Abarth engines are a little "fragile"?

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No. All I'm saying is the evidence suggests that 2.4 engine failure is rare, and limited to engines that have been significantly tuned.