Technical New sump for 2015 panda?
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very common.
just been looking at my 2014 sump after doing the brake disc & pads / oil change, very much the same story.
just been looking at my 2014 sump after doing the brake disc & pads / oil change, very much the same story.
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Yes mine was beginning to look sad a couple of years ago. I did give it a really good wire brushing and used Bilt Hamber rust converter followed by a good few coats of Hammerite. It hasn't got any worse since. I'd be inclined to give the new one a good few coats of decent paint before fitting if the car is a keeper.
Yes mine was beginning to look sad a couple of years ago. I did give it a really good wire brushing and used Bilt Hamber rust converter followed by a good few coats of Hammerite. It hasn't got any worse since. I'd be inclined to give the new one a good few coats of decent paint before fitting if the car is a keeper.
I wouldn't change it just because it's rusty
Unless the rust is of cause flaky or the sump is leaking of losing integrity
Unless the rust is of cause flaky or the sump is leaking of losing integrity
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Pro and cons for TwinAir ...Pros are alloy sump...cons to expensive to service and fuel costs.
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Rust can flake long before the structural integrity of the part in question is jeopardised.
Our Panda is a 2010 car with just over 60,000 miles on it. The sump looks almost like new (which surprised me after having seen some very rusty ones during our search) We've owned it for just over a year now and I've been finding out as much as I can of it's history. I managed to contact the garage which did the last two services and they were able to tell me the sump had been replaced about 2 years ago.
My boy's Punto, 8 valve 1.4, was first reg 2012 with 45,000 miles on it and the sump looks awful! Very pimply and flakey! We are planning to fit a new one when the weather warms up. In the meantime we are worried enough about it's condition that we are checking it once or twice a week. I believe they tend to "weep" for some time before they actually hole out and his is still dry so - happy day, so far!
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For once, the saying "they are all like that" is true.
It's about the only issues with the 1.2 engine, there's no under tray and the sump pan is in the firing line of all the road grit and salty spray.
The trick is to wipe it over with an oily rag every time you have the oil changed.
Modern cars, even Fiats don't tend to leak oil so it doesn't naturally have a film of oil protecting it.
I wouldn't think it's bad enough to leak yet unless it's lived it's short life parked on a beach, so you could try cleaning it up and splashing a bit of hammerite on the crusty bits.
You could take a pic and post it here, it should be obvious to some of us if it is totally rotten.
A new sump pan isn't too expensive and not to hard to swap if you really feel you need to replaced.
https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=...rm=Fiat_Panda_IV_(2012_to_)_1.2_8v_69hp_Sumps
There's another area prone to a bit of corrosion, the back axle on earlier model Pandas are now starting to rust away around the spring seats, so it's worth cleaning it off well once a year and using the same oily rag trick or a good spray up with something like Swarfega Duck oil.
It's about the only issues with the 1.2 engine, there's no under tray and the sump pan is in the firing line of all the road grit and salty spray.
The trick is to wipe it over with an oily rag every time you have the oil changed.
Modern cars, even Fiats don't tend to leak oil so it doesn't naturally have a film of oil protecting it.
I wouldn't think it's bad enough to leak yet unless it's lived it's short life parked on a beach, so you could try cleaning it up and splashing a bit of hammerite on the crusty bits.
You could take a pic and post it here, it should be obvious to some of us if it is totally rotten.
A new sump pan isn't too expensive and not to hard to swap if you really feel you need to replaced.
https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=...rm=Fiat_Panda_IV_(2012_to_)_1.2_8v_69hp_Sumps
There's another area prone to a bit of corrosion, the back axle on earlier model Pandas are now starting to rust away around the spring seats, so it's worth cleaning it off well once a year and using the same oily rag trick or a good spray up with something like Swarfega Duck oil.
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Yes that's what I did wipe it over with the oil spill rag. We salt the car park at work when the temp drops below. My wheels and hubs are rusty as well. Will have to check the back end.
I found the sump on ebay for £20
I found the sump on ebay for £20
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There are quite a few pattern sumps knocking about, not sure on the quality of most, though I would perhaps take a chance on the pattern one from shop4parts.
We've been power washing the rear axle of our lads 2012 Panda Pop for the last 4 years, just once a year to remove all the road crud in spring.
Once it's dry under there we give everything a good spray of Duck oil. (not WD40, that's corrosive). It still looks like it did the day we bought it.
The sump issue has been around a long time, I remember my old Uno scabbing up after a year or two way back when I had hair!
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My 319 Lounge seems to have rubber inserts in the spring seats so not wanting to risk anything causing it to perish I sprayed some Waxoyl all over the back axle.
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My wife's previous car a Seicento was once failed on MOT for "rusty sump" Since a sump holds quite a bit of oil inside it, it is somewhat unlikely to rust from the inside!, so what you can see is the only problem you have. I cleaned down the "rust" which was absolutely minor, painted it with a "rust killer" and a thick black paint over the top. The problem was never mentioned again,and the car was kept for years after.
If its rusty.. then its fine..
If its OILY then in needs changing
These sumps have minimal corrosion protection. So surface rust is normal..
Our 2004 panda is still on its original..and YES it is rusty.
My 2002 punto needed swapping.. because it had become porous..and was sweating engine oil
Charlie
So.. you are looking for an alternative place that can do what IS NECESSARY for your little car
I replaced the sump on our 1992 Panda Parade with a generic pattern made one from our local factor - and although I've never had a problem with anything else I've bought from him - Oh dear! - the fit was appalling. I'm always reluctant to put too big a sealant bead on things like this just in case some breaks away and clogs up the oil strainer. I trial fitted it and made chalk marks against where the fit looked a bit "gappy" so I could apply sealant more thickly in these areas. It still leaked and I had to remove and refit it a second time with much thicker sealant beads before I had success.
I've had a number of Shop4parts items and found them very good. In particular I got a replacement metal water pipe for the Panda (original birth) which looked to be of excellent quality. My Boy's Punto (2012 1.4 8valve) has a very rusty sump - as I've mentioned previously - which we are intending to do over the summer and it'll be Shop4parts I'll be buying from.
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Brings back memories. I was under my old Seicento changing the gearbox mount. Noticed the sump was rusty so decided to sort it whilst the car on the ramps.
Plan was to wire brush it then treat and paint it.
Lightly brushed it and out dropped a piece of sump about 2" across.
Loads of black oil up my arm....:bang:
Got away lucky as that could have gone anytime..
Phil
Unless it were really that rusty/bad, about to hole leading to oil being dumped on the road, I've never heard of a sump pan being on the mot list.
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Unless it were really that rusty/bad, about to hole leading to oil being dumped on the road, I've never heard of a sump pan being on the mot list.
Just checked our 2005 1.2 and there is only a little surface rust on the lower front edge where it is more exposed
might check our 2014 car tonight
Tim
