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As some may know the wife's DS3 (a car I never got on with due to being both diesel and terrible) has gone.

So Orville has replaced Roxy.




Yes its named after the green nappy wearing bird puppet..anywho it is a 110ps 1.2 petrol turbo flair with 0 additional options. So yes that green is actually the only free colour, white is 260 quid! However wife wanted green so score.

Interior is a very nice place to be (yes thats an official moomin):


Has cool door cards:


Unlike the ds3 there are no day one rattles but the glovebox is still hilariously small.

It has squishy but supportive seats, I can fit behind my own driving position in the rear, also unlike the similar DS3 based on the same chassis it doesn't make 3 toes on my left foot go numb after 10 minutes due to poor pedal ergonomics.

Touch screen works very well with android auto, my only complaint is the only physical heating control is demist, everything else needs to be on the correct screen.


It also has a reversing camera that appears on it, the car has 3 cameras in total. One for backwards, one for reading the speed limit which can be sent to the speed limiter/cruise control at the touch of a button. Finally It has the built in dash cam..which is good for making videos of Bini drivers lashing past at 50 in a 30.
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Engine wise..


Cheeky intercooler..


Engine is the best part of the car by a long way, sounds fruity, has a big wedge of torque between 1500 and 4.5k rpm, is absolutely a bit overkill for the car. Handling is best described as "comfortably numb" and the gearbox can only be described as the same old crap PSA have been churning out for 20 years. But the ds3 was uncomfortably numb...with a crap engine and the same gearbox so progress is progress. Kind of car you can make stealthy progress and surprise a few people in given the absolute lack of any distinctive features other than the intercooler and rear disc brakes.

Quality wise it's a mixed bag, panel fit is millimetric, paint finish is perfect, interior fit is bang on (none of these were right on the DS3). But there's obvious signs of cost cutting in places as well so not all good.

Overall though really likeable car despite the DS3 similarities as it fixes the most annoying bits (driving position, engine, ride quality, seats and ergonomics) and is still funky.
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Re: Orville, the C3 (Pic Heavy)

So this is just really likeable..

In winter it tries to light the front tyres quite a lot if you lean on it but otherwise, like driving a bubble bath..

Top Gear road test wise..it's clearly terrible, but when you are confronted by a green pikachu lookalikey that sounds like a mildly annoyed flat 6 and is like driving your front room it's really hard to care.

It's just a feel good motor..
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So 4.5k miles in...

few small niggles, rear lights alternately fog up but then clear, better than the ds3 fish bowl I guess..

Oh and the A.C., you'd probably not notice this in a normal British summer. Once it gets over 25 degrees out side it struggles to keep a nice temperature without an uncomfortably noisy fan speed. It could be that the system fitted isn't high enough capacity, it might be heatsoak from the intercooler and radiator meaning the A.C. rad isn't cooling efficiently (the air isn't that cold either). Either way it's a little annoying driving along with it sounding like a food blender.
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Cheeky intercooler..
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Needs a receipty
....don't get me started on that little...

A year! A bloody year for a piece of paper outside yet if you wash a receipt it's dead immediately..

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officially more durable than ds3 bellone wheels..
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Not had this a year..but it's first service time according to the car after 4700 miles. Guess with the short trips it does really drag down the variable intervals.

First a little bonus for twin air owners..notice two things first a 1100kg 110bhp petrol car managing 53mpg, second the stop start is active and working.


Any who regards the service it was a formality, I was informed that the watery rear lights are a recall item so have been replaced with modified ones at no charge. It needed a puncture repair (nail in tyre so wasn't going down) for 15 quid and they are updating the software on the touch screen to the latest version.

But today we have Boreville, this is Orvilles cousin specced by someone who is not my wife.


So shark grey and black and a 1.2 puretech 82 bhp Feel, this is actually the spec all the reviews favour rather than our full fat version. As it offers most of the good bits at less money. It certainly looks identical except for the colour and fog lights on the front, has the touch screen with Android auto, cruise control, climate control with a.c., Dab radio and 4 electric windows.

But it's the little things that make the difference...so interior wise, it has a horrid rubberised gear knob, hand brake and plastic steering wheel not soft leather. Incandescent bulbs not led interior lighting, a rubber boot on the gear lever not leather. Also no chrome strips on the air vents, round the gear lever or dials.


While I hate to be the perceived quality guy these little things really lift 2 otherwise identical interiors, even the seat fabrics are the same. But the main touch points are better by miles. That and no parking sensors, rear view camera e.t.c. lose it that semi premium feel.

Engine is the main difference though, the none turbo is a nice city car, and the un-corrupted lag free throttle is lovely and the engine revs freely. The very noticeable difference though is the lack of mid range compared to the turbo, and the gearing which in 5th at 70 has the engine spinning 1000 rpm higher. The puretech turbo swallows motorways easily with effortless mid range, this is much more traditional city car. The chassis feels happier though, occasionally you get the impression the turbo produces more than it is happy with and it can get scrappy. Do miss the 4 discs though, disc and drum set up while fine is not as positive. Fuel economy is unchanged as you drive the faster car less hard. How ever as soon as I hit the hills up to mine I missed the tub badly..not driven a car in long time where a hill beat the available power but despite being flat I could only manage 56mph up a hill the Turbo or Mazda could easily hit 80 leptons if given a similar prod.

Finally one for the baby = soft roader brigade..


It'll fit a travel system a bit if shopping and 3 people though it's a bit of a squeeze.
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Spent less time in this as of late, my wife can't really afford to put fuel in it as shes in month 11 of maternity leave and has not been paid for months at this point.

Good news is, it works just fine and even has working stop start despite being laid up for weeks at a time occasionally. Fuel economy is late 40s early 50s despite morrisons cheapest fuel and no long trips. The cheap toss Citroen fits instead of rear brake discs are bit of a mess and don't clean up when you drive it but that's about the only issue.

Bad news is occasional use makes the flaws stand out alot. If you drive it regularly you learn how to drive it smoothly and you tune everything out. Driving it from time to time you have to learn it..and theres quite a few quirks to learn.

Drive it once a month and oh my..well 1st it appears the turbo waste gate only closes when the engine is a little warm. Seems sensible protects the cold engine from damage, small problem with that either side of my house are 2 f*** off hills which an 82bhp Na petrol with monster gear ratios really struggles with. For a comparison the Mazda with a cold engine pulls 5th and reaches the top of the national limit hill at 50. The C3 requires a down shift to 3rd..or manages 35.

Then theres every control.. like they are all from different cars, accelerator pedal, brake and clutch all operate in different ways, long clutch, 1mm brake pedal, a throttle pedal that never seems to deliver what you asked for, either less or more but never quite right. You get used to this but everytime you hop out of car that isn't like this it really jars. Then add the low geared steering, soft springs and wedge of torque to that.

Also now I've fitted an android auto head unit to the Mazda I've realised the Citroen is missing a key thing. You can control guidance and music volumes from android auto separately on the aftermarket unit. If you mute one ( I tend to just have traffic alerts on as a preference) it kills both in the Citroen.

Finally the lack of a rear interior light makes fitting a child seat in the dark an absolute mission...

Despite all this I like this car it's a fun object..and absolutely does the job as a commuter scooter if you aren't that bothered about driving. My issue is mainly I hop out of a car built by a company that builds cars for people who enjoy driving into this and back again. That and the other car is bigger so it's easier to fit stuff in it.
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Bit of an update on this...

It was a PCP deal and originally we had no idea intention of keeping it.

Won't cover exactly why as I already have elsewhere but makes sense to pay the balloon on this and keep it.

Does mean it's getting a bit of a birthday next month..1st Mot and service but a few other things as well. Basically stuff I wasn't going to do for the next owner to enjoy.

Drivers door mirror got knackered 3 months after we got it, new one is going on at the service. About 15 months in my wife had a disagreement with a fence that defeated both parking sensors and rear view camera by jumping out behind her. The dent is going to be pulled and door repainted.

The Factory fit Michelins are going as they are terrible in snow to be replaced with a set of all seasons. Finally new wipers as well as it has factory fit blades.

Tidies up nice



This colour/spec combo is uncommon and no longer made so it's rare version of a common car, similar to when I had my Punto 85 elx. To give you an idea..there are currently 1100 or so C3s of this generation for sale nationwide, of them 2 are green with a white roof, and 1 is green and white with no air bumps. 0 for sale in this engine, gearbox and trim..

One concern for the Mot, rear discs are shot, absolutely scored up a treat. Simply because this car has suffered my wifes maternity leave where it would sometimes sit for weeks followed shortly by lockdown. Basically they've corroded to the point they won't clean up with use.

Shall see if we can score those under warranty but I've budgeted for replacements as well. Despite all the sitting oddly stop start has always worked.
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