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Old 28-03-2014   #16
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Re: Need help identifying year of FIAT

I can't be a great help here, so a bit of musing (not to mention rambling) is coming into force here.

Unless I misinterpreted Mike's comments, the third set of photos are of his car, in which case its condition is little short of remarkable. I'd also be interested to know if the licence plate under the white rear plate is Greek or Belgian.

With regard to the maker's plates, as one is Italian/English, I'm wondering if the other is a plate for French and Dutch speaking countries and the Waterloo reference is just a headquarters for the French, Dutch and Belgian markets. Don't forget that FIAT UK is also responsible for the Irish market, both sides of the border.

In pre-EU days there were all sorts of national rules that seem absurd nowadays, but just think back to the Lancia Fulvia Coupe which had headlights at a different level for the UK market than in other European countries, so I'm wondering if Germany would have had a plate in German with the local office in Munich or Frankfurt for example, Spanish market cars would have had an office in Madrid (for example) and so on.

As for Mike's comments about the car never having been sold in the US, I'm not sure whether you mean that your particular model was never sold there or that the 128 wasn't. As an avid reader of US car magazines in the '70s, I can clearly remember adverts for the 128 3P, 131 Mirafiroi and 128 saloon/sedan. The 128s would have had large bumpers, round headlights and there could well have been other differences between US and European models so I couldn't say whether they were pre or post-76 cars. But I would hazard a guess at the former as by 1976 my interest in American cars had waned with the Firebird 455 SD HO, possibly the last of the real muscle cars, and a Chevrolet Impala/Caprice with a 5.7 (350) V8 could just about summon up 165 bhp, about the same as the contemporary FIAT 130 with a 3.2 V6.

Back to the photos, personally, if that was my 128 I'd move heaven and earth to keep it. It looks outstanding. If ever there was a time when the word "Timewarp" was appropriate, this was it. In fact it looks in better condition than my 128 1300 4 door from 1978 was in, er, 1978.
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Re: Need help identifying year of FIAT

Looking at the photos again, yellow tinted fog/spot lights were a legal requirement in France and Belgium at one time which might be another clue as to its early life.

Anther line of thought could well be that it was a military or diplomatic sale as Brussels is the headquarters of NATO and there would have been a ready market with thousands of army, navy and air force of many different nations stationed there. Waterloo is not very far away so may have been FIAT's Diplomatic/Military sales offices. Greece has been a member since the early '50s.
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@ The Beard: Thanks for taking an interest in my FIAT and thanks again for the compliments. Yes, it truly is a time warp and I simply cannot wait for this wonderful car to arrive. The actual date of arrival is now the 13th of April, having moved from the 12th of April. So, I now have Greek registration, recently just re-registrared as a Historical Vehicle, showing it is in fact a 1973. So, there should be no worries.

The original black plate under the white one is coming with the car and is original to the car. It is in pristine condition I am told- I am fortunate indeed to be able to acquire this small, but significant, detail. The yellow fog lights are simply a recent add-on. I am not sure if I like them, if I prefer clear lenses, or if I will just remove them. I am very much into originality, so odds are they may come off. In fact, (and should I actually be admitting this?) I will even clean up an old worm washer, let alone a much bigger part, and re-use it instead of putting another new one on. I guess it's the sentimental side of me.

I still think it was quite risky or me to purchase a car sight-unseen from half way across the world. And then ship it (in it's own 20' shipping container) given I have never shipped or done anything close to this in my life. There was simply something very special about this car. I was immediately bonded with this humble car and can't really explain it. The financial timing for purchasing this car was absolutely terrible given we've put our house on the market and will be acquiring a new home very soon. I even ensured the new home had a garage big enough (4-car + motorcycle parking) to hold this special car. I told my realtor that if it did not have enough room for the addition of this FIAT then I was not interested in the home as this car will be garaged.

I should have the car home in about 3 weeks and am excited to say the least! I have not decided if I will tow it back on a flat bed trailer behind my truck or simply drive it home down scenic HWY-1, on the Central Coast of California. The previous owner indicates that it drives as new, and I have numerous videos of it running, driving, shifting through the gears, etc. It really does seem to operate as new so it would probably be fine. I just don't want to put too many miles on it.

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I wouldn't worry too much about mileage, 1800 kms is only just over 1000 miles. What I do find interesting is that it has a rear fog light which wouldn't have been fitted originally, its new style plates and the new tyres. I wonder if they've been fitted in the light of the decision to sell.

Although the front fog lights my be more recent, yellow tinted auxiliary lights were quite common in Europe in the '70s so they'd (subjectively) look ok.

Please keep us up to date when she arrives.
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He indicated that he'd recently added the rear fog light at the same time he added the front rally lights. He also added the mud flaps too and I will leave them on for protection. There's a good chance the rear fog light may come off if the front rally lights come off. The rear white plate that is on top of the original (Italian) black plate is actually a Greece plate. The person I purchased it from had driven the car for about a year after he acquired it from the heir of the original owners collection. He also indicated that he added new shocks, new tires, new stainless steel exhaust system, new timing belt, complete service, and much more since he did drive it a couple of days per week. The car also will come with 3 front grills, 3 new hubcaps (12 total), and the original steel wheels. On the car will be refurbished original Cromodoras and they look really good. The radio is one of the best parts mostly due to its originality. It is a middle-wave radio though so I don't know what reception will be like. No matter what, it's staying in the car though.
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The original black plate under the white one is coming with the car and is original to the car.

I am very much into originality, so odds are they may come off. In fact, (and should I actually be admitting this?) I will even clean up an old worm washer, let alone a much bigger part, and re-use it instead of putting another new one on. I guess it's the sentimental side of me.

I still think it was quite risky or me to purchase a car sight-unseen from half way across the world. And then ship it (in it's own 20' shipping container) given I have never shipped or done anything close to this in my life. There was simply something very special about this car.

I even ensured the new home had a garage big enough (4-car + motorcycle parking) to hold this special car. I told my realtor that if it did not have enough room for the addition of this FIAT then I was not interested in the home as this car will be garaged.
VFRMike.
It was the black plate that interested me as it looked Italian and again might have an interesting story to tell. Italian plates of that era often had a two letter code that indicated the area of registration, TO for Turin, VE for Venice,
BO for Bologna, MI for Milan and so on. The exception being Rome which has the word Roma, which is a bone of contention for many Italians outside the city.

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Originality is very important. There's a train of thought that the Ferraris and Maseratis that compete at the Villa d' Este at Lake Como or the Dusenbergs at Pebble Beach are just too perfect. An old car that has a level of finish that would never have existed when it was made is a fraud as far as I'm concerned. But, there is an argument that the sort of contemporary modifications that would have been found, for instance slot mags on a '71 Mustang, are ok when retrofitted, but a 10 stack CD system isn't, at least not in my eyes.

It was risky to buy sight unseen from so far away, but, it's not a Ferrari 365 GTB Daytona that turns out to be a Kit Car with a Ford V6 in it. Nonetheless, a few grand to buy, plus shipping isn't to be sniffed at for mere mortals like most of the members on here.

4-car garage???? Round where I live that's called a multi-storey car park!!

Enjoy the 128, it's a cracker, and don't forget, keep us up to date please.
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Well, the thirty-something day voyage from Athens, Greece is over and the car is now home in my garage in California. It's really small on the outside but you'd never know sitting inside it- amazing! It runs, steers, and brakes like new- although It's only got 55K miles. Here are some pictures I took just after we took it out of the shipping container. It started immediately- even after being out at sea all that time!
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Quote Originally Posted by VFRMike View Post
Well, the thirty-something day voyage from Athens, Greece is over and the car is now home in my garage in California. It's really small on the outside but you'd never know sitting inside it- amazing! It runs, steers, and brakes like new- although It's only got 55K miles. Here are some pictures I took just after we took it out of the shipping container. It started immediately- even after being out at sea all that time!
congrats..!!

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It is officially registered!! Wow, what a process this has been and I am glad it is over to say the least. I am not certain I'd ever import another vehicle again. What a fun car though. This car gets WAY more attention than I had ever imagined.
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Hi all. I have just imported a Fiat Multipla 600 from Italy into the UK. I believe the year of manufacture is 1963 but with no Italian registration available, I dont know for sure. I think I will need this information register properly in the UK. Can anyone kindly assist me in advising how I can go about checking the serial number on the plate-100D.108-116937-against year of manufacture/first registration?
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Hi all. I have just imported a Fiat Multipla 600 from Italy into the UK. I believe the year of manufacture is 1963 but with no Italian registration available, I dont know for sure. I think I will need this information register properly in the UK. Can anyone kindly assist me in advising how I can go about checking the serial number on the plate-100D.108-116937-against year of manufacture/first registration?
Many thanks in anticipation. John
Hi.

Being of such a close build to the classic 500.. I would SEARCH that section .

My recollection of country and year being within the VIN code still stands

There was a multi resto mentioned this week..

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OK I'll have to give a plug for the Fiat Motor Club GB.

"The club is able to liase with Fiat to obtain build dates for imported cars and those with registration issues".

For club members with over 1 years membership they are allowed to 1 free dating letter. For new members it costs 50. For non members it costs 100.

The dating letter will be offical and certainly acceptable to the DVLA.

Please NOTE!. Because long term club members are only allowed 1 free dating I suspect that getting the information out of Fiat is not plain sailing and involves a load of manual records research into the manufacturing/other paper and microfiche archives.

I once tried to get information (not manufacturing date) out of Fiat Italy (Historico) (in an official capacity) and was advised I had more information than they did

For later models then ePER will be of use. For models pre ePER the "ComPACT After Sale Compact Technology" discs are required (pre 2002). I have some of them back to 05-2000 Ed.31 but can not recall what past models are on these and also even if they will install/run on Win7+ systems.
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OK I've tried to fire up the old Fiat ComPACT system and despite my best efforts this is only ever going to work on a Windows Vista (at latest system). I think I have some archived PC hardware with Vista installed but to be quite honest I see no value or return from going down this route as I know our Strada Abarth was not on that system but I do have the microfiche info. All our Fiats post 130TC are covered by ePER.

This legacy information serving ability is only going to get worse in the future.

This industry is rapidly becoming a buy today, scrap tomorrow regime.

All the old 20's, 30s, 40s, up until around 1995 vehicles were traditional pure mechanical and simple carburettor and electrical points operated vehicles. These days we are in a world far apart from "old times".

An extreme example will be the Fiat MultiAir engines. These rely on dedicated ECU's with complex controlling software to even get the engine started let alone dynamically run.

It will be interesting to see over time how the prevalence of post 2000/2005+ classics compare to prior vintages. Would also add that I'm suspecting that true old school vintage owners are slowly dying out and that more modern replacements are just not there in numbers enough across the makes/brands to sustain all but a very very slim/thin/limited minority of vehicles.

What a real shame and I don't see manufacturers these days bend over backward to maintain their "public" heritage. They only do just enough to keep their "company" heritage collections up and running. The rest of us can go and *iss off or be extremely rich!!!!!

All very sad IMHO.
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One thing I'd like to add is that the tables I am using to determine which year the serial number corresponds to is for FIATs sold in the USA and this car was never sold and have never been in the USA. In addition, I was able to locate the spares number, as shown below towards the bottom of the left picture. Maybe this is helpful?

One thing for sure I'd like to interpret on the top of the left picture is the box labled "omologazione" which means "approval". I know the letters DGM stand (loosely) for "Ispettorato Generale della Motorizzazione". However, those numbers 6772 might just be day-month-year or month-day-year of production. This would be what I am looking for as either one of those dates, if I am possibly correct, could correspond to a 1973 FIAT. If you know anything about this DNG number please clue me in.

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