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Re: Tell me about Punto 1.3 dizzle

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generic code reader not picking anything up
Another reason to buy MES ...

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Re: Tell me about Punto 1.3 dizzle

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Another reason to buy MES ...

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Bernie's advice is good. We've had Panda's in the family for years as learner cars for children and town runaround. I havered for quite some time (not unusual for me) before deciding on MES and was finally tipped over the edge when my oldest boy bought a '12 plate Punto and we finally parted with our old Panda Parade replacing it with a '10 plate Panda Dynamic Eco. These newer cars need software simply to reset the service reminder! Of course there is a whole raft of other, quite simple, and extraordinarily useful, "stuff" you can do and a load more advanced stuff you can safely learn about as your knowledge progresses - MES is very good at giving you instructions and prompts when you are using it. I would strongly advise you to download the free software and run it in "simulate" mode where you can select individual vehicles and observe what is possible to do. The other thing I think is good to do is to buy from an approved supplier. I would have no hesitation in recommending Gendan - where I bought mine - You can ask them lots of questions before you buy and you will get interconnects which work out of the box (a certain amount of configuration to your laptop and vehicle is required and I would advise you to follow the enclosed instructions closely as getting just one thing wrong stops the process (I know, been there!) but a quick phone call to Gendan and I was up and running. Several Forum members made useful contributions too.

I use mine to do a whole vehicle scan before starting work - You know then whether you've caused an additional problem when trying to "sort" whatever you are working on. Getting fault codes displayed that you know you can rely on (generic code readers sometimes lead you down the "garden path" with their results) is a major benefit. I also find being able to graph sensor outputs etc very helpful when fault finding. A couple of years ago graphing and understanding what something was trying to tell me would have been like "black magic" but you find the more you use it and experiment the more useful it becomes. When I bought mine I hoped it was going to be useful, even if only for resetting the service, but now, some two years later, it's become an atomatic "go to" whenever I'm working on anything not strictly mechanical.

So, doing your own services and repairs? Buy your own licenced copy, You'll find it indispensable. - and there's a wealth of resource in the knowledge base of all our friends here on the forum if you need help.
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If you're still hesitating after that one ...

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Re: Tell me about Punto 1.3 dizzle

hiya, I have ordered the adapter and am waiting for it to be delivered

in the meantime, my friend plugged his laptop in that has something similar called multidiag, he used this system when working for a recovery company/breakdown service

anyway it showed up a fault as being the pressure converter, which is the small valve just below the slam panel which controls the vac to the actuator, this was a couple of days ago and I jumped on the 'net and bought a brand new one, its coming from Germany.

This afternoon I have had the original valve out, rigorously used my vac pump on it, the valve itself makes a few wheezing noises, not entirely healthy, I tapped it, sweared at it, and refitted it, upon driving I can only describe the car as being normal! and OK! - power in a useable place in first gear! I was initially just going to drive it from my back yard round to the front of the house, but instead as the car was driving that good I just done a 40 mile trip halfway up the M56 and back!

however after restarting after a visit to the shop, it was back to being poor.

But I know what the fault is, and the part is on its way.

And so is an adapter, so I can use MES, in the future.
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Good decision !

first thing you'd do with MES is to plot the Actual Boost Pressure vs the Expected Boost Pressure and see the discrepancy with a deffective vacuum system... You'll be also able to see any improvement when adjusting (slowly!!) the linking rod length, and discover A LOT of very interesting stuff with that little gemm...

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so in the last couple of weeks car has been in daily use and all has mostly been good

I had the EML come on during a trip home one night, and it went into limp mode, but then the next day it was fine! this was before my MES adapter turned up.

I now have MES, is there a way to find previously stored codes?


One thing I have noticed, that crawling in traffic and at standstill/idling, there is a diesel fume smell in the cabin, theres no loss of diesel anywhere in the engine bay, the exhaust seems ok throughout its length, bulkhead has no holes or gaps in it.
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That diesel fume odor usually comes from the EGR flange that doesn't seat well (if it has been removed for cleaning) or from the flex at the exhaust piping...

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I have had a look at near where the EGR is, its too busy round the back of there to look or even feel for the bolts that might fix it on / together, it might be easier to see from underneath.

I think flexy is ok, later this week I will get the front up on ramps and have a look at this and the other.
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It's crowded there indeed, the flange I'm refering to is the conical one at the end of the corrugated "flex" inox pipe that comes from the EGR itself to the cooler. It has a sort of clip AND A WASHER SEAL that if not well fitted/tigth would generate that stincky odour... It can be "accessed" from the top with the air box removed.

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It's crowded there indeed, the flange I'm refering to is the conical one at the end of the corrugated "flex" inox pipe that comes from the EGR itself to the cooler. It has a sort of clip AND A WASHER SEAL that if not well fitted/tigth would generate that stincky odour... It can be "accessed" from the top with the air box removed.

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I will have a look, are there any diagrams of it around?
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Re: Tell me about Punto 1.3 dizzle

so although my GP's MOT doesnt run out until mid November of this year, I took it today.

Reason being is that 1. if there was anything wrong I could see to it now while we still have half decent weather, and 2. I dont really want to be fixing cars in november, I work on them outside in the yard at the back of my house.

anyway, IT PASSED


So I am happy with that, there was a couple of minor advisories that will be sorted in due course
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I am not far off 3 months of ownership now and although there have been problems, all is well and calm and the car is just being driven

I am happy with how it drives, coming from an MG ZR I would say that the suspension in this Punto is just as firm - firmer than i thought it would be, and it handles just as well, I think the steering is excellent as are the brakes, if there was one thing I could fault is that it is still laggy in first gear pulling away, and it can catch you out sometimes.

I am annoyed that the AC didnt allow regassing, but hey ho, my last car didnt have it, I reckon its probably the condensor [AC radiator] that is rotten, but I dont really fancy removing the front bumper etc to check.

the car is comfortable, quiet, and [when used] the factory stereo is quite good, I have had to replace one door speaker already cos when I had the problem with the lock I saw that the speaker cone was rotted away, so I just got a used but good one, I am wondering whether to replace both with new aftermarket - any direct fit suggestions?



I have learned a lot about the car and mainly its engine in a short time, which was one of my aims, at the moment its just day to day running and all is well.

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Thanks for that update !
And happy to hear that you appreciate the Grande; probably one of (if not) the best in its category...

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