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Re: GP SPORTING 1.9jtd TUNING

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hello gps 1.9 drivers i have a fully spect punto multijet 1.9 want to have it remapped i have heared of this place in watford reddotracing or something like that lol

just wanted to no can it damage my engine only done 3500 miles and ive asked lots of machanics everyone has diffrent views can someone who has mapped theres tell me more plzz

and is it worth the risk

if anyone could please help i am fiat crazy just not sure and worryed about the engine.

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Ahhh, this old chestnut rearing it's ugly head again. I am having the same thoughts as you Anthony but with a bias towards keeping the car standard for many reasons. Take a look at the m-Jet??? thread posted by steve_24_7.

If you do decide to do it I would strongly recommend you invest some time talking to these guys.... http://www.superchips.co.uk/

Even though you will probably pay more than other companies Superchips are very well respected and are careful not to tune the hind legs off of your pride and joy. Most importantly they will essentially 'take on' your manufacturers warranty if your cars mechanics are caused damage by the remap.

If anyone is thinking of throwing insults at me for passing on this advice...please don't. I am simply relaying my findings after speaking to 4 different companies by phone and Superchips were by far the most enlightening.
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Iím not going to throw insults at all thatís not how I am. But youíre not stating fact again. Most remapping companies will do the same as far as warranty due to the fact they will HAVE to have 'Professional 3rd Party liability insurance' Iím pretty sure this is required by law. This is in case any damage happens to customers property either accidental or by negligence. I have the same when I'm working on Computer Server Equipment and while on Ď3rd partyís premisesí.

Im sorry to say it but Superchips are a rip off. £550 notes to remap a Golf GT Tdi..... thats without the rolling road charge! .
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Hi I also got my gp remapped from red dot now pushing 182.7bhp just wondering should this cause any problems?
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Hi I also got my gp remapped from red dot now pushing 182.7bhp just wondering should this cause any problems?
How much torque?
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Hi I also got my gp remapped from red dot now pushing 182.7bhp just wondering should this cause any problems?
No it won't.

All this fuss about power limiting to 170 is because the so called professionals who spread out this rumour don't know enough about mapping.
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I thought it was agreed that Torque was king when it came to increasing performance in a diesel engineÖ

If this is the case surely Angelís remap of Sharkriderís GPS at 270+lb/f for example would be quicker than Puntokrisí Red Dot tune of 253lb/f.

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I thought it was agreed that Torque was king when it came to increasing performance in a diesel engineÖ

If this is the case surely Angelís remap of Sharkriderís GPS at 270+lb/f for example would be quicker than Puntokrisí Red Dot tune of 253lb/f.

Correct, oldschool has pointed out how limiting power to 170bhp is a load of crap being that the engine itself can take well over 170bhp BUT torque is the factor that should be limited to eliminate premature clutch death.
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Correct, oldschool has pointed out how limiting power to 170bhp is a load of crap being that the engine itself can take well over 170bhp BUT torque is the factor that should be limited to eliminate premature clutch death.
So what is the safe limit for torque?
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So what is the safe limit for torque?
If you are askin Kris it will be 253lb/foot lol!
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If you are askin Kris it will be 253lb/foot lol!
hahaha... I'm sure his more honest than that!!
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Unless you drive like an idiot all the while & release the clutch at 2000+RPM, the GPS clutch is good for at least 200bhp. For over 20 years manufacturers have built components (Crankshaft, Camshaft, Cambelt etc. etc.) to withstand the manufactured bhp/nm output +50%. - That is why they offer a 36 month+ warranty on a new car.

I have run a (runaround) GPS 130 tuned to 177bhp for a year now. Not a single problem (certainly no clutch problems!). We have another 2 cars, one of which has been re-mapped from 200 to 290bhp (Turbo-diesel) & neither has shown any sign of clutch slip in 12 months. I rest my case.
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So what is the safe limit for torque?
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If you are askin Kris it will be 253lb/foot lol!
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hahaha... I'm sure his more honest than that!!
I'd love to say 253
Being honest it's difficult to say unless you have tested the GPS to breaking point, different cars have different clutch strengths and yes anybody can break the clutch on a standard car by driving like an idiot. Testing conditions need to be gauged on good driving over a period of time. We'll just wait for the 'my clutch is f*kd' thread.

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Unless you drive like an idiot all the while & release the clutch at 2000+RPM, the GPS clutch is good for at least 200bhp. For over 20 years manufacturers have built components (Crankshaft, Camshaft, Cambelt etc. etc.) to withstand the manufactured bhp/nm output +50%. - That is why they offer a 36 month+ warranty on a new car.

I have run a (runaround) GPS 130 tuned to 177bhp for a year now. Not a single problem (certainly no clutch problems!). We have another 2 cars, one of which has been re-mapped from 200 to 290bhp (Turbo-diesel) & neither has shown any sign of clutch slip in 12 months. I rest my case.
Agreed but some cars have weaker clutches than others, for example remapped mk2 punto jtds were having clutches going after 6 month periods and some even less than that.
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Torque is now 255 lbs at the wheel
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Torque is now 255 lbs at the wheel
Fair amount. Take it that you have no clutch problems?
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Fair amount. Take it that you have no clutch problems?
I wouldnt expect clutch problems this early.
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