General GP Abarth
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General GP Abarth
precisely.
im under no illusion what the GP can and can't do... i don't think of it as a hot hatch at all... it has some poke and decent fuel economy, with stunning looks...
going back to the sporting vs abarth... i was reffering to the sporting being mapped... once the abarth was mapped then i would have thought it would be in front again... a modded vs standard race isn't fair!!
at the end of the day it is still only going to be a 1.4 turbo, so it won't be able to produce massive figures without altering turbo's etc.
i think it will do the brand the world of good, and thats a good thing, so its welcomed by all i would imagine.
This has all heated up since the last time i checked this thread, lol.
I must say as much as the calculations have good theory on the road it can be totally different.
With regards to the weight minnnt is again correct. When you put this into the equation a modified GP Sporting actually comes in at 141bhp per ton, nearly indentical to the potential Abarth figures. Then on top of that its got nearly 100lb-ft of torque more. Enough said imo.
Rich
I must say as much as the calculations have good theory on the road it can be totally different.
With regards to the weight minnnt is again correct. When you put this into the equation a modified GP Sporting actually comes in at 141bhp per ton, nearly indentical to the potential Abarth figures. Then on top of that its got nearly 100lb-ft of torque more. Enough said imo.
Rich
all i know is the abarth will be the one to have next year IF the power of the engine is around 180bhp when it arrives. its alot meaner looking than the sporting just look what that kinda kit done for the panda.just the right time for me to be changing my car.my name will be first on the list also by that time fiat will have the build and reliabilty quality spot on.lets all hope ......eh????
hopefully matey!! like i said, it can only be a good thing for the brand, and another car to the GP range!
like i said, it can only be a good thing for the brand, and another car to the GP range!
but i bet it won't achieve 60mpg! haha!!
decent performance and fuel economy go for the sporting MJ imo
haha!!decent performance and fuel economy go for the sporting MJ imo
It will be a great addition to the range because there are still plenty of people out there that will not buy a diesel. This will give them the opportunity to have great looking car thats also fairly quick.
The Sporting is a great all round car, you have got to spend more to get a car anywhere near it.
Rich
The Sporting is a great all round car, you have got to spend more to get a car anywhere near it.
Rich
The main Problem is that the GP Sporting 1.9 is a Diesel and that is why it will never be "Hot"
Diesel Hot??!! I think not!
Petrol...? Most Defiantly
I watched on Top Gear the other week to new BMW 5 series, not sure of the litre (think it was in the 300 - 400 mark) but the diesel had more BHP and more torque and the result.... Petrol was quicker all the way up to top speed that could be reached on the test track while it was also better on the lap of the track and this works the same on the Fiats!
However the GP 1.9 Sporting is a good car just in my eyes and many others it will never be a "hot" hatch and will never be as good as the Abarth for reasons as mentioned "Brakes, RPM, Chassis and Suspension" so In other words I guess you guys will just have to accept that the Sporting wont be the performance GP anymore while the Abarth will take top position!
As for the Panda 100HP as mentioned earlier, I never said it was quicker which some jumped to counter, I simply said its better on the old corners lighter so It brakes later.... I Challenge a GP Sporting owner!!!!
Cheers
Diesel Hot??!! I think not!
Petrol...? Most Defiantly
I watched on Top Gear the other week to new BMW 5 series, not sure of the litre (think it was in the 300 - 400 mark) but the diesel had more BHP and more torque and the result.... Petrol was quicker all the way up to top speed that could be reached on the test track while it was also better on the lap of the track and this works the same on the Fiats!
However the GP 1.9 Sporting is a good car just in my eyes and many others it will never be a "hot" hatch and will never be as good as the Abarth for reasons as mentioned "Brakes, RPM, Chassis and Suspension" so In other words I guess you guys will just have to accept that the Sporting wont be the performance GP anymore while the Abarth will take top position!
As for the Panda 100HP as mentioned earlier, I never said it was quicker which some jumped to counter, I simply said its better on the old corners
lighter so It brakes later.... I Challenge a GP Sporting owner!!!!Cheers
haha, what a load of crap!!
the fact that the petrol would be easier to drive will come into it some what, i.e. if you rev the diesel too much you will have lost out, you have to be able to drive the diesels properly!
as i have said many times before on here, i would never consider the GP Sporting to be a hot hatch, nor will the Abarth be unless it comes out with 200bhp!!!
i doubt the 100hp would be better through the corners, sport mode or no sport mode! you say you would be quicker into the corners, but then we would absolutely leave you for dead on the exit due to in gear acceleration and you having a 1.4 engine?!?!?!
in a drag race a 1.9 petrol would most certainly always beat a 1.9 diesel, but in real life driving situations the diesel would more than like come out on top if driven correctly!
the fact that the petrol would be easier to drive will come into it some what, i.e. if you rev the diesel too much you will have lost out, you have to be able to drive the diesels properly!
as i have said many times before on here, i would never consider the GP Sporting to be a hot hatch, nor will the Abarth be unless it comes out with 200bhp!!!
i doubt the 100hp would be better through the corners, sport mode or no sport mode! you say you would be quicker into the corners, but then we would absolutely leave you for dead on the exit due to in gear acceleration and you having a 1.4 engine?!?!?!
in a drag race a 1.9 petrol would most certainly always beat a 1.9 diesel, but in real life driving situations the diesel would more than like come out on top if driven correctly!
Im with minnnt all the way. There are too many people that are in stone age still and cant except diesels for being even remotely quick.
You say you will challenge a GP owner, i certainly fancy my chances. Im not being critical of the Panda because i do like it as a car, i think it was a great move from Fiat but how you can call your car "Hot" because its petrol is beyond me.
Some people need to wake up and realise that diesels are very good cars. Everyone who has been in my car with an attitude like yours has come out the other side with a very different one.
My old SportKa is comparable to your Panda in almost every sense and that has no chance with my GP whatsoever, even with my mums partner driving who has raced for Formula Ford.
I think you need to go for a spin in one with someone who drives it properly.
Rich
You say you will challenge a GP owner, i certainly fancy my chances. Im not being critical of the Panda because i do like it as a car, i think it was a great move from Fiat but how you can call your car "Hot" because its petrol is beyond me.
Some people need to wake up and realise that diesels are very good cars. Everyone who has been in my car with an attitude like yours has come out the other side with a very different one.
My old SportKa is comparable to your Panda in almost every sense and that has no chance with my GP whatsoever, even with my mums partner driving who has raced for Formula Ford.
I think you need to go for a spin in one with someone who drives it properly.
Rich
a fire engine? :yuck: lol
i dont know if it is or not matey, think it is called the T-Jet?? the 1.4 sporting has a 'starjet' badge on the grille... is that a FIRE?
:yuck: loli dont know if it is or not matey, think it is called the T-Jet?? the 1.4 sporting has a 'starjet' badge on the grille... is that a FIRE?
StarJet is the type of injection used and named by Fiat, the 1.4 16v remains as a FIRE engine!
The T-Jet uses the same injection as the StarJet but the T obviously being Turbo
I didnt call the Panda hot!!? Its just very Warm (not to mention that it is a Supermini and not a Hot Hatch) I am simply saying that all Hot hatches are Petrol and not Diesel (All manufactors must be terribly in the Stone Age to keep producing Petrol Sports versions! Lets have a Ferrari F430Diesel), and it is amazing to watch how defensive you GP Sporting owners get when someone threatens the GP Diesel... I have said it twice now, I am not having a poke at the car as it is a good car but nothing worth an arguement!
Rich Id hardly want to challenge you because 170 vs 100 is hardly fair, Tuned vs Standard .. uhmmm I dont mind once my 100HP has the Turbo from the GP Abarth or 500 Abarth... That way goodbye
Cheers
The T-Jet uses the same injection as the StarJet but the T obviously being Turbo
I didnt call the Panda hot!!? Its just very Warm (not to mention that it is a Supermini and not a Hot Hatch)
I am simply saying that all Hot hatches are Petrol and not Diesel (All manufactors must be terribly in the Stone Age to keep producing Petrol Sports versions! Lets have a Ferrari F430Diesel), and it is amazing to watch how defensive you GP Sporting owners get when someone threatens the GP Diesel... I have said it twice now, I am not having a poke at the car as it is a good car but nothing worth an arguement!Rich Id hardly want to challenge you because 170 vs 100 is hardly fair, Tuned vs Standard .. uhmmm
I dont mind once my 100HP has the Turbo from the GP Abarth or 500 Abarth... That way goodbye Cheers
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auto express had a write up with the new 100hp and sportka and the panda won, but they said it was very close.
i'm not knocking the panda at all, i love the little things, they're funky and fun and stylish and different to the norm, and i would love to own one but they're not hot, no hotter than what the GP is imo...
in fact i would say that the little bugger could possibly beat the GP Sporting in a traffic light drag race, but in reality the GP is and will be quicker.
all imo of course, i'm sure your group will feel differently though!
i have always had petrols, started off with a 1.2 corsa sxi, and then moved onto a suzuki ignis sport, which would leave the 100hp and any GP for standing from a 0-whatever race, then a megane 225. they were all easy cars to drive, the ignis was probably the easiest and best to drive, but the megane would leave you breathless, that was seriously quick! so the GP is my first diesel, and if i'm honest, i'm still getting used to it, ive only done 2,800ish miles in it, and its a very different drive to any other car i have had, but its great, its fun, and very good on the motorway, around town i find it hard to drive it fast like the others, i.e. 1st 2nd 3rd 4th gears, how far to rev up the range, how and when to change gear, when to change up, when to change down, etc etc etc but i can tell that it can be quick if in the right hands. but then once you get into some b roads and country lanes its away and i can easily drive it quick and be quicker than alot more powerful cars. as i said, the motorway it is great, and i would imagine with the mao even more so!
the abarth will be the top of the range no doubt, a mapped one should see of a mapped sporting, but i still think the sporting will be the all round best package to buy and run, and still has the ability to shock and suprise.
i would imagine that the abarth will be a very easy car to drive with it being a petrol turbo, and it should be quicker, but i bet inreality it's going to be closer than people think!
StarJet is the type of injection used and named by Fiat, the 1.4 16v remains as a FIRE engine!
The T-Jet uses the same injection as the StarJet but the T obviously being Turbo
I didnt call the Panda hot!!? Its just very Warm (not to mention that it is a Supermini and not a Hot Hatch)
Rich Id hardly want to challenge you because 170 vs 100 is hardly fair, Tuned vs Standard .. uhmmm
Cheers
With regards to your comment on how hot hatches are always petrols, i do not dispute this in the slightest. At no point in all of this have i claimed or tried to claim that the GP Sporting is a hot hatch because it isnt.
My arguement is that there are plenty of people that are quick to jump and say your cars not quick because its a diesel, simply not true.
Im the same, i think the Panda is a great car, nothing against it whatsoever. In fact i would like to drive one and see how well they go.
Thats my point, you say its not a fair race, i agree. You have just said yourself what i was trying to prove. Just because its diesel doesnt mean its not quick and if you think your Panda is "very warm" and you wouldnt race me because its unfair then surely that makes mine even warmer
.If you start adding turbos and things to your Panda i will be the first to agree that it will be one hell of a car. Maybe we will have to meet up when its all done and test them out.
Rich
The GP Abarth will have the 1.4 TJET engine in the 150hp version with an optional booster-kit taking it to 180hp.
And look at its competitors, even Volvo make a quicker hatch.
Small 1.4T will be good for tax, fuel efficency and CO2 emmissions.
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