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You're wrong i've just seen on the news here in France that in Northern Ireland and Wales it has doubled.
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It depends what you are counting. Positive tests are not the same as infections. Deaths with Covid are not the same as deaths due to covid. Deaths within 28 days of a positive test do not mean all of those died of covid.
This disease is very bad for the elderly especially with pre existing conditions. However, Sweden has the same or better numbers than UK. They made similar errors (not protecting care homes), yet they did not destroy their own economy with lockdowns.
This disease is very bad for the elderly especially with pre existing conditions. However, Sweden has the same or better numbers than UK. They made similar errors (not protecting care homes), yet they did not destroy their own economy with lockdowns.
do you get all your info direct from Donald trump?
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Hi,
sitting here in D which is not the worst country to be in during the pandemic btw i can tell you about my March (and following months) experiences.
It started late March with losing my tasting ability. I'm a smoker but since the taste went i stopped smoking. At the same time i had difficulties to climb up to my flat in the 1st floor. (Startet an art project before with two friends of mine https://www.clorona-art.de)
At that time we in D were told to stay at home if possible what i did. (I got time because no customer asked for any help. Once in a fortnight was enough in order to buy something to eat.) At that time i was still amused about all those people buying loo paper.
At the end of May a good customer who is not able to do that himself asked me to buy a new printer and get the latter into his 3rd floor flat. I did that. The printers' weight is 17 kg, and i needed 2,5 hours to get it upstairs because of breathing purposes. That day i realised that there was a chance of having been infected (still hardly any test available for normal people who were not crying loudly).
Stood at home till the middle of July. Tested mys breathing abilities in between without recognising that anything went better. I had the side-problem that my ID went invalid at the end of July, and you need a valid ID in D if you want anyone to listen to you. So, i started the attempt for applying for a new one by the end of May. Due to closedown measures i succeeded to apply for a new one (which you have to do personally) on the 17th August, still not able to breathe halfway properly. (I was lucky because my mother who died last year gave me some cash before her death before in July 2019.) I went to my parents' former home because there had to be some stuff to be removed of which the rest is still in the back of my 223, btw)
September threw me down to bed again since breathing was very hard.
My landlord told me that the stuff has to be put out of the house soon. I promised to do without having an idea how. Still no ID. Started searching for a cheap house to rent or buy. Still hardly any breathing abilities. Got a new ID at the end of the 1st 3rd of October. Found a house 60 km away, not ideal but quite good, in a forced sale. Asked the bank for a check but they told me that they were unable to get the check for me in 2,5 days. (It will not be accepted by the court if it is older than three days: Bureaucracy is something you can rely on btw. Someone else bought it. My breathing abilities are still not really back.
I'm still searching for a new home. Couldn't find some else less than 100 km away but there must be a change, and my breathing abilities are still limited.
At the same time i'm watching thousands of idiots which ignore danger since they themselves are not concerned by luck or personal constitution by chance who give a damned **** on the rest of the world.
For my instance i consider myself a lot more lucky than the majority because i inherited enough money to get over some time. I'm sure that without my heritage my friends would have helped me anyway as they did before. I am a lucky one.
These Covidiots have to be shut down. The rightwingers which use them have to be shut down as well. This is not a question of opinion. It is a question of surviving the culture with all we developped. The Bloody Old Lady should have learned something, and i'm sure, in five years, when the UK will reapply for membership in the EU, we'll get that done. (Hopefully, at that time time there will be some herring and catfish left.) Solidarity will be the key. Solidarity is the only option on spaceship Earth.
We have the planet to save which we are living on, and that is not a bit of a question of our each skin colour or some opinion. Mankind has to learn to stick together. And if someone tells me that i'm superfluous because i'm older than 60 i tell them that he/she is going to grow old themselves.
Elmar, whose breathing abilities are still not totally back to the state of the begining of 2020.
sitting here in D which is not the worst country to be in during the pandemic btw i can tell you about my March (and following months) experiences.
It started late March with losing my tasting ability. I'm a smoker but since the taste went i stopped smoking. At the same time i had difficulties to climb up to my flat in the 1st floor. (Startet an art project before with two friends of mine https://www.clorona-art.de)
At that time we in D were told to stay at home if possible what i did. (I got time because no customer asked for any help. Once in a fortnight was enough in order to buy something to eat.) At that time i was still amused about all those people buying loo paper.
At the end of May a good customer who is not able to do that himself asked me to buy a new printer and get the latter into his 3rd floor flat. I did that. The printers' weight is 17 kg, and i needed 2,5 hours to get it upstairs because of breathing purposes. That day i realised that there was a chance of having been infected (still hardly any test available for normal people who were not crying loudly).
Stood at home till the middle of July. Tested mys breathing abilities in between without recognising that anything went better. I had the side-problem that my ID went invalid at the end of July, and you need a valid ID in D if you want anyone to listen to you. So, i started the attempt for applying for a new one by the end of May. Due to closedown measures i succeeded to apply for a new one (which you have to do personally) on the 17th August, still not able to breathe halfway properly. (I was lucky because my mother who died last year gave me some cash before her death before in July 2019.) I went to my parents' former home because there had to be some stuff to be removed of which the rest is still in the back of my 223, btw)
September threw me down to bed again since breathing was very hard.
My landlord told me that the stuff has to be put out of the house soon. I promised to do without having an idea how. Still no ID. Started searching for a cheap house to rent or buy. Still hardly any breathing abilities. Got a new ID at the end of the 1st 3rd of October. Found a house 60 km away, not ideal but quite good, in a forced sale. Asked the bank for a check but they told me that they were unable to get the check for me in 2,5 days. (It will not be accepted by the court if it is older than three days: Bureaucracy is something you can rely on btw. Someone else bought it. My breathing abilities are still not really back.
I'm still searching for a new home. Couldn't find some else less than 100 km away but there must be a change, and my breathing abilities are still limited.
At the same time i'm watching thousands of idiots which ignore danger since they themselves are not concerned by luck or personal constitution by chance who give a damned **** on the rest of the world.
For my instance i consider myself a lot more lucky than the majority because i inherited enough money to get over some time. I'm sure that without my heritage my friends would have helped me anyway as they did before. I am a lucky one.
These Covidiots have to be shut down. The rightwingers which use them have to be shut down as well. This is not a question of opinion. It is a question of surviving the culture with all we developped. The Bloody Old Lady should have learned something, and i'm sure, in five years, when the UK will reapply for membership in the EU, we'll get that done. (Hopefully, at that time time there will be some herring and catfish left.) Solidarity will be the key. Solidarity is the only option on spaceship Earth.
We have the planet to save which we are living on, and that is not a bit of a question of our each skin colour or some opinion. Mankind has to learn to stick together. And if someone tells me that i'm superfluous because i'm older than 60 i tell them that he/she is going to grow old themselves.
Elmar, whose breathing abilities are still not totally back to the state of the begining of 2020.
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I think part of the problem is that many view this as "not much worse than the flu" as I've heard it said several times.
However, if you are elderly or have an underlying health condition, it's a lot worse than the flu!
My dad is now 82, and he's got lung problems. It's not really bad.....just that due to years of working in factories before health and safety was a thing, his lung capacity is lower, and he's got some scarring on the lungs. Normally a normal asthma inhaler does the trick.
In the last 10 years he's had flu 3 times, despite the jab every year. Each time it led to pneumonia, and the last time it turned to sepsis.
Fortunately he's recovered every time.
However his lung specialist was quite blunt about covid.
As she put it, if he looks after himself and continues as he is now, there's no reason he can't pass 100......apart from his lungs, he's fitter than most 40 year olds. But......if he catches covid, the specialist said he's got around a 5% chance of leaving hospital alive.
This is no flu....also there were a couple in my street that have caught it.....both in their 40's, no underlying health issues.....they both ended up in ICU and even now 3 months later are still struggling with their health.
However, if you are elderly or have an underlying health condition, it's a lot worse than the flu!
My dad is now 82, and he's got lung problems. It's not really bad.....just that due to years of working in factories before health and safety was a thing, his lung capacity is lower, and he's got some scarring on the lungs. Normally a normal asthma inhaler does the trick.
In the last 10 years he's had flu 3 times, despite the jab every year. Each time it led to pneumonia, and the last time it turned to sepsis.
Fortunately he's recovered every time.
However his lung specialist was quite blunt about covid.
As she put it, if he looks after himself and continues as he is now, there's no reason he can't pass 100......apart from his lungs, he's fitter than most 40 year olds. But......if he catches covid, the specialist said he's got around a 5% chance of leaving hospital alive.
This is no flu....also there were a couple in my street that have caught it.....both in their 40's, no underlying health issues.....they both ended up in ICU and even now 3 months later are still struggling with their health.
Yes Cinq I think you are absolutely right. It's the age/health and maybe ethnicity? thing that's so important. Mrs J and I are in our early 70's and although we've both had various medical problems we are generally healthy. We can easily go for a 3 hour walk (I may need to look for a loo though) and try to take at least an hour outside every day. Mrs J is also a great swimmer, has been all her life, and would think nothing of doing 80 lengths of our local 25 metre pool without stopping - she can't wait for it to reopen fully so she can go back. We consider ourselves as fit as most people of our age.
Last year we got our flue jags, as we always do, but Mrs J got the flue virus (Tested and confirmed as Flue "A") got progressively worse over about 3 days and in the end her breathing got so bad she was admitted to hospital. Then diagnosed with pneumonia and ventilated on oxygen in an isolation room. I really thought the "game" was up at that point but she's a tough old bird and slowly, to the considerable surprise of the staff, battled against it and recovered. Took about 6 months before she was really fully recovered although there are times even now when her stamina is obviously not as good as it was. I too was very ill for a couple of weeks but manager to shrug it off without needing intervention beyond regular dosing with paracetamol and Lemsips etc.
So, to be frank with you, I think it's very likely that if we contract this virus the outcome, even if we live, is going to be very poor and will greatly have an adverse affect on the rest of our lives. An effective vaccine is probably our only hope of ever leading a relatively normal life ever again but I also wonder how realistic that hope is because the virus is almost certain to mutate, like flue, so one vaccine may only be effective for a short while? What an almighty mess this all is!
Last year we got our flue jags, as we always do, but Mrs J got the flue virus (Tested and confirmed as Flue "A") got progressively worse over about 3 days and in the end her breathing got so bad she was admitted to hospital. Then diagnosed with pneumonia and ventilated on oxygen in an isolation room. I really thought the "game" was up at that point but she's a tough old bird and slowly, to the considerable surprise of the staff, battled against it and recovered. Took about 6 months before she was really fully recovered although there are times even now when her stamina is obviously not as good as it was. I too was very ill for a couple of weeks but manager to shrug it off without needing intervention beyond regular dosing with paracetamol and Lemsips etc.
So, to be frank with you, I think it's very likely that if we contract this virus the outcome, even if we live, is going to be very poor and will greatly have an adverse affect on the rest of our lives. An effective vaccine is probably our only hope of ever leading a relatively normal life ever again but I also wonder how realistic that hope is because the virus is almost certain to mutate, like flue, so one vaccine may only be effective for a short while? What an almighty mess this all is!
Indeed c 999, totally agree. Another factor to dial in this situation we have bred a very selfish society who expect things to be handed to them on a plate attitude, and at the moment some are thinking this problem doesn’t equate to them. As we all know it doesn’t take many, indeed just one to spread the virus. Even in countries who fared not too bad in the initial virus count, the virus is showing up again with more than ever numbers, due to selfish people who think ach ill be fine or it’s no big deal.
I used to love Christmas and all its tinsel and decoration, in fact back in the 80s I would personally over decorate our house, the Christmas tree being the centre of everything. Alas for some years I’ve landed into bah humbug. My wife and I and our young man do have a nice meal along with quality wines and goodies, but its come to just enjoying and spoiling ourselves.
I really cannot remember when my Christmas spirit started to run out, it just has. So no big deal for us Christmas wise. I never went out to feel this way, it just kind of happened.
I really cannot remember when my Christmas spirit started to run out, it just has. So no big deal for us Christmas wise. I never went out to feel this way, it just kind of happened.
Having a Birthday in December means Ive always had a strange relationship with Christmas.. 
To some extent Covid has changed that.. as the Shops are not full of Xmas 'tat' from September
Talking of shops..
The Welsh 'firebreak'lockdown has been odd
Wilko. Robert Dyas. Type shops can open..
But Tesco and Asda have had to 'zone.off' non food aisles.. clothes..gardening..diy..etc
Reports have been coming in of shoppers sneaking into the aisles and accessing
'Contraband'
One had a 12v Lead Acid battery
Another Some Fireworks
After the CCTV had been studied..
They Charged one.. and Let the other Off
To some extent Covid has changed that.. as the Shops are not full of Xmas 'tat' from September
Talking of shops..
The Welsh 'firebreak'lockdown has been odd
Wilko. Robert Dyas. Type shops can open..
But Tesco and Asda have had to 'zone.off' non food aisles.. clothes..gardening..diy..etc
Reports have been coming in of shoppers sneaking into the aisles and accessing
'Contraband'
One had a 12v Lead Acid battery
Another Some Fireworks
After the CCTV had been studied..
They Charged one.. and Let the other Off
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On the BBC website is a story of a Bishop in Scotland calling for a 'truce' on Christmas day, to allow families to get together.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54682086
What a prize prat. Let's distance ourselves, then all gather on one day to restart the spread. Happy new year as you all go down with the virus.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54682086
What a prize prat. Let's distance ourselves, then all gather on one day to restart the spread. Happy new year as you all go down with the virus.
I'm really not sure where I stand with this Lurgy thing.
Every year (almost guaranteed) I will have all the hall marks of a 'winter flu' - feel like death warmed up, sweaty, headache, snotty nose etc, and it's no surprise that for a lot of vulnerable people, it's a one way trip to meet their maker.
This latest version has (by MSM accounts) been deadly, but what I can't get my head around is the numbers. Every year about 50k people perish with a flu induced pneumonia or something similar, this virus has claimed an estimated 42k, (with a lot of tongue in cheek stats on the way) but I don't know anyone who has had it, or know anyone who knows anyone who had it.
I'm not saying it's a myth, but I think it's not a bad as it's being made to appear.
And I really don't understand the overall panic, we don't go into lock down every winter do we? When more people succumb to our 'old fashioned flu'
so why the need to with this latest import from Chinksville?
Instead of lockdown, which is going to cost our children and their children a lot to pay off, we should go for a 'common sense rule'.
Confused. . .
George
Every year (almost guaranteed) I will have all the hall marks of a 'winter flu' - feel like death warmed up, sweaty, headache, snotty nose etc, and it's no surprise that for a lot of vulnerable people, it's a one way trip to meet their maker.
This latest version has (by MSM accounts) been deadly, but what I can't get my head around is the numbers. Every year about 50k people perish with a flu induced pneumonia or something similar, this virus has claimed an estimated 42k, (with a lot of tongue in cheek stats on the way) but I don't know anyone who has had it, or know anyone who knows anyone who had it.
I'm not saying it's a myth, but I think it's not a bad as it's being made to appear.
And I really don't understand the overall panic, we don't go into lock down every winter do we? When more people succumb to our 'old fashioned flu'
so why the need to with this latest import from Chinksville?
Instead of lockdown, which is going to cost our children and their children a lot to pay off, we should go for a 'common sense rule'.
Confused. . .
George
Because your 50k figure is vastly incorrect for flu and pneumonia related deaths
TBH..
Ive given up watching 'the numbers'
I made a conscious effort to watch the 3podiums last week
. to try and get my head around the tiers 1.2 and 3
People in hospital with Covid.. should be truly representative.. they are ill enough to need treatment.
Numbers in the community..
Complete charade in my view..
Its so many positive tests per 100,000
residents..
Sounds fair.. but back in April scope for community testing was poor
Nowadays they find a cluster ..of 20 in a Factory..
Test 400 employees and find 80 infected
50 of whom have no symptoms .. so wouldnt have asked for a test
None of this was going to happen 6 months ago.. again slanting the figures
The headline last week was a very sad 43,000 lost
The figure was higher than that when I gave up looking in the summer
Im just going to carry on being sensible..
Attempting to minimise risk.. while hoping for the best
Ive given up watching 'the numbers'
I made a conscious effort to watch the 3podiums last week
. to try and get my head around the tiers 1.2 and 3
People in hospital with Covid.. should be truly representative.. they are ill enough to need treatment.
Numbers in the community..
Complete charade in my view..
Its so many positive tests per 100,000
residents..
Sounds fair.. but back in April scope for community testing was poor
Nowadays they find a cluster ..of 20 in a Factory..
Test 400 employees and find 80 infected
50 of whom have no symptoms .. so wouldnt have asked for a test
None of this was going to happen 6 months ago.. again slanting the figures
The headline last week was a very sad 43,000 lost
The figure was higher than that when I gave up looking in the summer
Im just going to carry on being sensible..
Attempting to minimise risk.. while hoping for the best
Yes that is indeed correct Andy. Figures of flu deaths have ranged for England from 11000 odd to just under 30000 n the last few years. Flu jabs work for some whereas in reality no such thing for the virus. Flu has a shorter shelf life as well.
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That Bishop of Paisley was on the "Reporting Scotland" local BBC news tonight - what a balm pot! This and other incidents unfortunately just goes to show that a surprising number of people just don't "get it" or are not prepared to exercise control and restraint over their activities. Religion could be a dangerous one here because some people consider observance of religious practice to be important above all else. If the virus was sentient it would just love to hear that! Don't please label me as "anti religion" by the way, although I have to admit to not being a weekly church goer.
We are doing the best we can to isolate at every possible opportunity. We go supermarket shopping once a week on a Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday because we find it much quieter on those days and don't go in the store if it's at all busy, just go back the next day. We wear our masks and plastic disposable gloves and do lots of hand washing all the time. Other than that we don't go out other than for a daily walk in the park or down to the harbour where we are outside of course and many yards away from anyone even when it's busy - and you really couldn't use the word "busy" in this context. Sadly we have cut almost all physical contact with our children and their families. My oldest boy and his wife and son we sometimes stop outside their house in our car with the window down and have a loud conversation with them on their front door step. They are managing well because his wife is a journalist and working from home so childcare is covered. My daughter and family lives in the far deep south of England so we do Facetime with them. The "risky bit" for us is my youngest boy's children. They've been very good and now got childcare sorted for every day except Tuesdays. The cost is something else though and, in my opinion scandalous. My granddaughter goes to school but the wee boy is only one year old and both parents have to work to even scratch anywhere near a living wage so we are doing, as we are allowed to here in Scotland, childcare from around 8.00hrs through to around 18.00hrs with picking up the girl from school at 15.00hrs. There has to be a risk to us in doing this despite it being an "officially allowed activity". We try to be as careful as possible in respect of hygene, touching surfaces, washing a lot, wearing our masks etc and distancing but where children are involved there's always something unintentional, unexpected and risky happening. We are just hoping that a childcare vacancy can be found to cover the Tuesday soon.
I've now decided that Nicola's clear and informative daily broadcast is what's important to us here in Scotland and Mrs J and I have the recorder set so we can view it later in the day if we miss it for any reason. Boris's broadcasts I view as "entertainment". The trouble is I find it becomes confusing if I listen too closely to him because the advice is at variance with ours, better therefore to treat it as frivolous entertainment and do what Nicola and her chief medical officer tell me to.
As a wee aside, don't you think Boris is playing a dangerous game riling the people in the "north" (being a Scot, thinking of Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield etc as "the north" always strikes me as amusing) A lot of these people, who would previously never have voted Tory, voted that way at the last election. The way they are being treated - be it justifiable or not - has, I think, already completely lost him their support and he ain't going to win them back now?
We are doing the best we can to isolate at every possible opportunity. We go supermarket shopping once a week on a Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday because we find it much quieter on those days and don't go in the store if it's at all busy, just go back the next day. We wear our masks and plastic disposable gloves and do lots of hand washing all the time. Other than that we don't go out other than for a daily walk in the park or down to the harbour where we are outside of course and many yards away from anyone even when it's busy - and you really couldn't use the word "busy" in this context. Sadly we have cut almost all physical contact with our children and their families. My oldest boy and his wife and son we sometimes stop outside their house in our car with the window down and have a loud conversation with them on their front door step. They are managing well because his wife is a journalist and working from home so childcare is covered. My daughter and family lives in the far deep south of England so we do Facetime with them. The "risky bit" for us is my youngest boy's children. They've been very good and now got childcare sorted for every day except Tuesdays. The cost is something else though and, in my opinion scandalous. My granddaughter goes to school but the wee boy is only one year old and both parents have to work to even scratch anywhere near a living wage so we are doing, as we are allowed to here in Scotland, childcare from around 8.00hrs through to around 18.00hrs with picking up the girl from school at 15.00hrs. There has to be a risk to us in doing this despite it being an "officially allowed activity". We try to be as careful as possible in respect of hygene, touching surfaces, washing a lot, wearing our masks etc and distancing but where children are involved there's always something unintentional, unexpected and risky happening. We are just hoping that a childcare vacancy can be found to cover the Tuesday soon.
I've now decided that Nicola's clear and informative daily broadcast is what's important to us here in Scotland and Mrs J and I have the recorder set so we can view it later in the day if we miss it for any reason. Boris's broadcasts I view as "entertainment". The trouble is I find it becomes confusing if I listen too closely to him because the advice is at variance with ours, better therefore to treat it as frivolous entertainment and do what Nicola and her chief medical officer tell me to.
As a wee aside, don't you think Boris is playing a dangerous game riling the people in the "north" (being a Scot, thinking of Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield etc as "the north" always strikes me as amusing) A lot of these people, who would previously never have voted Tory, voted that way at the last election. The way they are being treated - be it justifiable or not - has, I think, already completely lost him their support and he ain't going to win them back now?
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Oh deary me, a double post again. what am i doing wrong?
It's happened to me, Jock - someone told me its because when I post my reply, nothing happens immediately, and I think it hasn't 'sent' so I then hit 'Submit reply' again and suddenly there is a duplicate.
If you notice it as it happens, you can go to 'edit' and delete the duplicate. I thought it was my slow internet that causes it.
If you notice it as it happens, you can go to 'edit' and delete the duplicate. I thought it was my slow internet that causes it.
Correct..
But you should have a couple of hours to edit
I tend to cut the post into bits..over the 2 posts.. so it doesnt read as a duplicate
Annoying though isnt it.. sometimes the edit takes a while to load also
