Coronavirus - The Thread :(

[andydiver]

People, right or wrong, have been gunning for Cummins for years and now smell blood. I agree with you Dave, the hypocrisy with this feeding frenzy is shocking.
Let's imagine he did break the rules. How is it in the public interest to deliberately, repetitively and loudly shout about it undermining public willingness to follow the rules when if the media just shut the f up there would be no undermining and the government as a whole could get on with the biggest crisis in modern times.
Even Labour are holding back a little, for once, as this is not the time for plotical shouting.
That can come later.

 

[chris3234]

The press have no right to complain considering most of them will have been traveling the country with a team for work throughout the whole period

 

[fiat500]

Whatever the rights or wrongs of the situation, Cummings,Johnson and their fellow-travellers have scored a blinder with the way they have handled this one; what a genius way to outrage the population so as to motivate them out of their "addiction" to lockdown.

 

[portland_bill]

This is an interesting viewpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ-ATT_Cd6M&t=328s
Brings a little light to the end of the tunnel.

With so much 'information', I have a snippets in my memory, that stick as they seemed important or interesting at the time. The virus attaches itself to cells using proteins or chemicals (or something similar) in the cells in our oesophagus. Those proteins are either non-existant, or significantly less prevalent in younger people, meaning the virus fails to get a hold. This is why few children have contracted the disease, and why it might be low risk for them to return to school. Also explains why we're starting with the younger children. Will the parents be able to social distance at the school gates?
Not heard anything about them being carriers though, but probably low risk for same reasons.

 

[jrkitching]

Whatever the rights or wrongs of the situation, Cummings,Johnson and their fellow-travellers have scored a blinder with the way they have handled this one; what a genius way to outrage the population so as to motivate them out of their "addiction" to lockdown.

Don't blame the politicians, blame the press. They're more interested in making money from a story than doing what's in the best interests of the people.

If it does encourage the population to compromise on social distancing, turning this non-event into front page headlines will likely cost thousands of lives.

 

[dave]

This is an interesting viewpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ-ATT_Cd6M&t=328s
Brings a little light to the end of the tunnel.

With so much 'information', I have a snippets in my memory, that stick as they seemed important or interesting at the time. The virus attaches itself to cells using proteins or chemicals (or something similar) in the cells in our oesophagus. Those proteins are either non-existant, or significantly less prevalent in younger people, meaning the virus fails to get a hold. This is why few children have contracted the disease, and why it might be low risk for them to return to school. Also explains why we're starting with the younger children. Will the parents be able to social distance at the school gates?
Not heard anything about them being carriers though, but probably low risk for same reasons.

very young kids that still listen to parents have been kept indoors mostly for the last 2 months so that could also be a factor in why less kids have got it.

Some of the kids that have got it have got it really bad and with a secondary illness after.

No everyone at the school gates are young parents, before the lockdown many kids were taken and dropped off by grandparents as parents had to work.

Whats going to be harder is the trip from the car parked half on the footpath with a row of others the same, no one is going to be able to pass each other 2m apart.

 

[dave]

If it does encourage the population to compromise on social distancing, turning this non-event into front page headlines will likely cost thousands of lives.

That could easily be fixed if he was sacked for breaking the rules. and the reporters seen on camera bunching together also fined.

Even his excuse was against the rules, they said if anyone in the family has symptoms the whole family has to isolate and don't leave kids with their elderly grandparents who are at a greater risk.
Boris sounds more and more like trump everyday with his excuses for his mates. He is a very dangerous man.

 

[dave]

 

[CM1746]

If it does encourage the population to compromise on social distancing, turning this non-event into front page headlines will likely cost thousands of lives.

Sorry JRK - can't disagree with you more. This is in the public interest as it's at the heart of government who are making some critical decisions for the nation. There are many who have not been able to attend loved ones funerals and will have to manage the mental consequences for a long time. They abided by the lockdown. I'd imagine DC would have a large social circle or HMG support in London rather than having to drive all the way to County Durham to stay on his Dad's farm. Cmon - don't treat the public as mugs - PLEASE!

Don't understand how this coverage will likely cost thousands of lives? What is likely is that HMG dithering and inaction in February and March has cost lives and damage to the economy - reference The Telegraph's recent analysis. As we all know a rabid left wing anti - government rag

 

[dave]

dont forget to test your eyes before a long drive after isolation

 

[dave]

I only have a few - I'm not eligible to apply for them here, so I just reuse the ones I already have (until they become so un-breathable i have to throw them away)

Even Taiwanese can only have 5 a week.

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/10555380348676502/

 

[Goudrons]

dont forget to test your eyes before a long drive after isolation

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Yes it's all laughable.
Has anyone read the exemptions of the foreign travel quarantine?

"crown servants or government contractors (Dominc Cummings?) returning to the United Kingdom who are either:
required to undertake policing or essential government work in the United Kingdom within 14 days of their arrival
have been undertaking policing or essential government work outside of the United Kingdom but are required to return temporarily, after which they will depart to conduct policing or essential government work outside the United Kingdom. Essential government work includes, in particular, work related to national security and immigration, the coronavirus disease and any other crisis response, and international negotiations"

 

[AB100]

There's been a lot of talk about who predicted what and whether predicting something retrospectively counts as a valid prediction. Who knows?

All I know is that, if you rotate Sergeant Pepper by 180 degrees and look at the reflection, it clearly shows that Blake or the Beatles had some kind of prescience. Look how craftily George forms the 's' of virus using the clenched-fist sign-language key- the rest is pretty clear.


p.s. ignore the EXIF data. There's no way I just edited this in Photoshop cos I was bored.

 

[jimboy]

I’ve always considered myself able to look at any situation holistically, the press have behaved atrociously showing little regard for distancing and basically like vultures. Many up and down the country have broken lock down rules and not much of a story told. Cummings rightly or wrongly has to go I’m afraid, the public has been whipped up to a frenzy.

In the eyes of the public justice must be seen to be done. I do wonder though about real facts of the story, some are jumping on the bandwagon just because they can. The world of politics can be a cruel place, but you pays your money and you take your chances.

 

[dave]

https://vivoclinic.com/shop/product...MI7LGKiczC6QIVA-ztCh2q2w9nEAAYASAAEgIAJvD_BwE

curiosity got the better of me i've ordered this one, 75 quid with the postage.
AndyRKett can i use the blood that squirts out of a varicose vein?

 

[AndyRKett]

That’s doesn’t sound like a very good idea!

 

[jrkitching]

I’ve always considered myself able to look at any situation holistically, the press have behaved atrociously showing little regard for distancing and basically like vultures. Many up and down the country have broken lock down rules and not much of a story told. Cummings rightly or wrongly has to go I’m afraid, the public has been whipped up to a frenzy.

The drive to Barnard Castle has changed my view on this.

If his story is true, then driving for 30 miles when you suspect your eyesight might not be good enough to drive is unacceptable behaviour.

If his story is false, and he is using it to justify a journey in lockdown, then that, too, is unacceptable behaviour.

IMO the childcare justification could have been reasonable; if both parents had become seriously ill, placing him with immediate family has obvious advantages over placing him with strangers.

Given what's been reported, I'd say it's in the public interest for the police to conduct a proper investigation. Should he be charged or formally cautioned, then most certainly he should resign immediately.

We live in a country where everyone, regardless of position, is supposed to be regarded as innocent until proven guilty. The way the press have behaved shows an appaling lack of respect for that fundamental principle.

 

[dave]

I think many wont care about the reasons for this trace system with Cummings still in his job they wont do as asked.

 

[09 johno]

wont do as asked.

'They' won't have a choice, it is a Duty and will come with sanctions if failing to comply...…..

 

[mowermender70]

my old grandfather ,said back in the late fiftys when you are old enough to vote (1963 when i did) there only in it to LINE there OWN pocket.THEY WILL NEVER LINE YOURS mowermender 70 now 74