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2012 500 apparent "seized engine" while at dealership

hello, and thank you ahead of time for any ideas, advice or questions!

i have a fiat 500 with ~50k miles where the engine would rotate, but just not turn over. i have done regular oil changes, replaced the battery, spark plugs, starter, ground strap...all with the same results. it would try to start, but after a few tries, it just lost more and more power. after checking all the fuses and fuse connections for any ground issues that i could find, and getting nowhere, i threw in the towel.
i had the car towed to a Fiat dealership for diagnosis. before working on the car, they told me i had a clutch part recall that i wasn't aware of. i told them the car had been sitting for a few months, as i have another vehicle that i drive mostly, and that i was in no rush to get it back. well, a couple weeks go by and i hear nothing from them. i called, and they told me that the engine is seized - that the mechanic tried to turn the crankshaft, and couldn't.
so, my questions are: does this sound fishy to anyone? do i have bad luck? should i leave it at the car lot before towing it home in case i need to contact a lawyer?
thanks again, in advance for any and all replies!
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Re: 2012 500 apparent "seized engine" while at dealership

Hi and welcome

Seized.. unlikely if you drove it there and it contained oil


There are other scenarios for being unable to rotate the crank

Hydraulic lock..
clutch..or other mechanical part failing

Did they just remove the gearbox to investigate clutch..?

Background:

Your engine is a Multiair.
It uses oil pressure to power the fuel injection apparatus.. regular use sees this pressure 'topped.up'

Inactivity .. could.. see the pressure drop

Sound familiar.. enging cranks fine.. but no fuel is injected

However.. if you know the motor is cranking..
That still doesnt stack up with.. the Dealerships bad news

But if the 'Dealer' is sticking with the 'Its seized' story.. then yes legal advice is probably advised.

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Re: 2012 500 apparent "seized engine" while at dealership

hey, charlie! thanks for the reply and warm welcome.

i didn't drive the car there. i had it towed because it wouldn't start. it most definitely had oil in it, though. (sorry if you meant that i brought it there with oil in it)

here is the recall i believed that they performed:

Recall Number
16V302000
Recall Date
05/16/2016
Component
POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Summary
Chrysler (FCA US LLC) is recalling certain model year 2012-2016 Fiat 500 vehicles manufactured June 21, 2010, through January 12, 2016, equipped with a manual transmission. The clutch diaphragm spring may fracture and fail, causing an inability to switch gears.

Consequence
If the clutch diaphragm spring fails, the driver may not be able to shift gears or the vehicle may lose motive power, increasing the risk of a crash.

What Owners Should Do
The remedy for this recall will include the installation of a clutch pedal limiter and a clutch pedal switch. The recall began on November 10, 2016. Owners may contact Chrysler customer service at 1-800-853-1403. Chrysler's number for this recall is S34.



have you any idea if a faulty installation of this recall is something that could cause the engine to seize?



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Re: 2012 500 apparent "seized engine" while at dealership

Did they replace the clutch?

If so they have installed it wrong I'd it "sized " right after installing it
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not that i know of. i'll have to call them on monday to find out what's going on.
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Re: 2012 500 apparent "seized engine" while at dealership

Did you note the mileage before you took it in?
It ran fine prior to parking for some time?
Then it would crank but not start?
Are you saying whilst starting it would get slower and slower until it wouldn't turn over even with a new battery and starter etc?
Have the car brought home and take a look, just about only oil starvation can seize a engine I thought.
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Re: 2012 500 apparent "seized engine" while at dealership

unfortunately, i did not write the mileage down.
and yes, prior to parking it ran perfectly fine. i previously had it sit for an extended period of time, but i would eventually be able to start and run great after a few tries.
yes, while trying to start with each ignition turn the starter would spin the motor, but get weaker with each try.
i'm just unsure if i should tow it from the dealer before i contact an attorney - if i need to - in case there's something that they messed up when working on it (intentional, or unintentional).
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